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"Events in the present determine events in the future". Very deep observation. Maduro had to be removed, this is a win for Venezuela. On one side he's a crimi

"Events in the present determine events in the future". Very deep observation. Maduro had to be removed, this is a win for Venezuela. On one side he's a criminal, on the other side people at the country are cheering for this [1]. He didn't even win the most recent election. I'll write that again, he was not elected. I haven't seen a convincing argument about why it would have been better if he remained in power. 1: https://x.com/SofyCasas_/status/2007455810884886992 https://x.com/SofyCasas_/status/2007455810884886992

jacquesm 10mo ago
People were asking for an example of such attitudes on HN, thank you for providing one. All of the reasons you list apply to many world leaders, legitimately elected or not. You must be ecstatic about the pardon of Hernández then.
- moralestapia 10mo ago
  >All of the reasons you list apply to many world leaders, legitimately elected or not. That's correct. One at a time, I'd say. :)
- stickfigure 10mo ago
  > legitimately elected or not Let's just focus on the not-legitimately-elected ones. Venezuela was a functioning democracy until Maduro took control through force and fraud. Shed not one tear for him.
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    I won't. That still doesn't mean this is over by a long shot. My bet is on the oil with a side dish of Epstein distraction. At least the latter seems to have worked. Wouldn't it be too bad if Venezuela actually gets to decide who they want to deal with regarding their oil and they pick France, the UK or China...
wsatb 10mo ago
> I haven't seen a convincing argument about why it would have been better if he remained in power. You're way off base here. No one is arguing that he should be in power. It's the way it was done. You're also ignoring a very important question: now what? Sorry, but the last year has not inspired confidence that this administration knows what it's doing.
LunaSea 10mo ago
Could you redo this analysis and explain why China shouldn't fly into Florida and kidnap Trump? After all most of the country wants him out, he's a felon and broke the law countless times since his election. Seems like a win for the people of the US and America.
- aipatselarom 10mo ago
  President Trump was elected democratically by the people of the US, by majority in both the electoral and popular vote.
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  - LunaSea 10mo ago
    So? Because he was legitimately elected he can do whatever he wants with no consequences? Multiple lawsuits and inquiries on Trump were stopped when he became president.
  - goatlover 10mo ago
    Jack Smith also made the clear case to Congress last week that he has the evidence that Trump did try to overthrow the 2020 election and inspired the January 6th insurrection, so he should not have been eligible to run in 2024. He should have been in prison.
    - jacquesm 10mo ago
      Maybe Colombia could swoop in and abduct Trump... This world is getting crazier by the hour.
      - goatlover 10mo ago
        Well Columbia, Mexico and Cuba have been threatened by the Trump administration since Maduro was taken.
ks2048 10mo ago
"He shouldn't be in power" and "He should be kidnapped and removed by the US military (and his county bombed)" are two different arguments to make.
bjourne 10mo ago
> He didn't even win the most recent election. I'll write that again, he was not elected. The most recent election in Venezuela was in 2025 and Maduro's faction(s) won a landslide victory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Venezuelan_parliamentary_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Venezuelan_parliamentary_.... Nothing indicates that the results were fraudulent.
mempko 10mo ago
As Trump said, Venezuela was not pumping it's oil out of the ground at a high rate. Venezuela has the largest known oil reserves. Trump is risking organized human life by helping accelerate global warming and ecological collapse. This is not a good outcome for the world.
timeon 10mo ago
Good do Putin next then.
- torcete 10mo ago
  I reckon this was an agreement between Putin and Trump. Ukraine for Venezuela. I can be wrong, of course.
  - microtonal 10mo ago
    It’s also worth noting that, according to Trump’s former Russia advisor, Fiona Hill, Russia once pushed for a “swap” in which it would abandon its support for Venezuela in exchange for the U.S. abandoning its support for Ukraine. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-venezuela-takeover-destabilizing-precedent-russia-china-iran.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-venezuela-take... Of course, that doesn't mean that there is a deal, but it is certainly a possibility.

jacquesm 10mo ago

People were asking for an example of such attitudes on HN, thank you for providing one. All of the reasons you list apply to many world leaders, legitimately elected or not. You must be ecstatic about the pardon of Hernández then.

moralestapia 10mo ago
>All of the reasons you list apply to many world leaders, legitimately elected or not. That's correct. One at a time, I'd say. :)
stickfigure 10mo ago
> legitimately elected or not Let's just focus on the not-legitimately-elected ones. Venezuela was a functioning democracy until Maduro took control through force and fraud. Shed not one tear for him.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  I won't. That still doesn't mean this is over by a long shot. My bet is on the oil with a side dish of Epstein distraction. At least the latter seems to have worked. Wouldn't it be too bad if Venezuela actually gets to decide who they want to deal with regarding their oil and they pick France, the UK or China...

wsatb 10mo ago

> I haven't seen a convincing argument about why it would have been better if he remained in power. You're way off base here. No one is arguing that he should be in power. It's the way it was done. You're also ignoring a very important question: now what? Sorry, but the last year has not inspired confidence that this administration knows what it's doing.

LunaSea 10mo ago

Could you redo this analysis and explain why China shouldn't fly into Florida and kidnap Trump? After all most of the country wants him out, he's a felon and broke the law countless times since his election. Seems like a win for the people of the US and America.

aipatselarom 10mo ago
President Trump was elected democratically by the people of the US, by majority in both the electoral and popular vote.
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- LunaSea 10mo ago
  So? Because he was legitimately elected he can do whatever he wants with no consequences? Multiple lawsuits and inquiries on Trump were stopped when he became president.
- goatlover 10mo ago
  Jack Smith also made the clear case to Congress last week that he has the evidence that Trump did try to overthrow the 2020 election and inspired the January 6th insurrection, so he should not have been eligible to run in 2024. He should have been in prison.
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    Maybe Colombia could swoop in and abduct Trump... This world is getting crazier by the hour.
    - goatlover 10mo ago
      Well Columbia, Mexico and Cuba have been threatened by the Trump administration since Maduro was taken.

ks2048 10mo ago

"He shouldn't be in power" and "He should be kidnapped and removed by the US military (and his county bombed)" are two different arguments to make.

bjourne 10mo ago

> He didn't even win the most recent election. I'll write that again, he was not elected. The most recent election in Venezuela was in 2025 and Maduro's faction(s) won a landslide victory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Venezuelan_parliamentary_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Venezuelan_parliamentary_.... Nothing indicates that the results were fraudulent.

mempko 10mo ago

As Trump said, Venezuela was not pumping it's oil out of the ground at a high rate. Venezuela has the largest known oil reserves. Trump is risking organized human life by helping accelerate global warming and ecological collapse. This is not a good outcome for the world.

timeon 10mo ago

Good do Putin next then.

torcete 10mo ago
I reckon this was an agreement between Putin and Trump. Ukraine for Venezuela. I can be wrong, of course.
- microtonal 10mo ago
  It’s also worth noting that, according to Trump’s former Russia advisor, Fiona Hill, Russia once pushed for a “swap” in which it would abandon its support for Venezuela in exchange for the U.S. abandoning its support for Ukraine. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-venezuela-takeover-destabilizing-precedent-russia-china-iran.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-venezuela-take... Of course, that doesn't mean that there is a deal, but it is certainly a possibility.