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Also the Chavistas have broad support in the population. To point where they won several elections.

by chvid 9mo ago

ErneX 9mo ago
No, they lost the 2024 election by a landslide, it’s one of the reasons of what happened today.
- chvid 9mo ago
  Maybe. But there is still popular support; and some of the elections Chavez won, he actually did win.
  - ErneX 9mo ago
    True, but that is irrelevant today, they squandered that support and people want a change now.
  - lentil_soup 9mo ago
    Irrelevant, Chavez died 13 years ago, a lot has happened and changed. Maduro lost the last election hard, he wrecked the support he inherited back then
- WarOnPrivacy 9mo ago
  > No, they lost the 2024 election by a landslide I don't belittle what VE has gone thru and I accept that something awful for you has been removed from the board. > it’s one of the reasons of what happened today. I would clarify that the current US leadership has little/no history of taking actions that are genuinely for others' welfare. The admin continually claims it is doing good. It's a continual stream, one after the other. By the time one is debunked (and they are), ten more are issued. This method is dividing many Americans (by design) between those who believe the stream of claims and those being overwhelmed by the mountain of debunked falsehoods.
thrownato 9mo ago
That's empirically wrong. Also nearly every single Venezuelan who's left the country since Chavez is against Maduro
- ErneX 9mo ago
  approx 8 million, and we are not allowed to vote, which is against the constitution.
- verzali 9mo ago
  That might be why they left, no? The ones who stayed presumably tolerate him more.
  - thrownato 9mo ago
    The ones who stayed are mostly too poor and famished to leave.
    - corwinxpro 9mo ago
      any evidence of that?
      - thrownato 9mo ago
        Yeah, read any newspaper.
        mempko 9mo ago
        And why are they famished? Could it be because of US sanctions and embargoes?
        komali2 9mo ago
        You can't blame America for every single problem people suffer. Cuba was also embargoed and managed to pull off a medical system with a lower infant mortality rate than the USA, and as far as I know nobody starved there to the degree they did in Venezuela. USA sanctions means Venezuela can't be a Petrostate, that's it. There's nothing stopping the government from organizing state industries in agriculture and mineral extraction as well as distribution to build a hyper localized economy. Hell, they're supposed to be communists, this is supposed to be the whole thing they're meant to be doing anyway. The state of Venezuela is mostly the fault of Maduro's failed governance, and some of the responsibility lays also on the heads of Venezuelans. I personally believe to pretend it's all America's fault is to engage in a prejudice of low expectations.

Also the Chavistas have broad support in the population. To point where they won several elections.

by chvid 9mo ago

Also the Chavistas have broad support in the population. To point where they won several elections.

ErneX 9mo ago

No, they lost the 2024 election by a landslide, it’s one of the reasons of what happened today.

chvid 9mo ago
Maybe. But there is still popular support; and some of the elections Chavez won, he actually did win.
- ErneX 9mo ago
  True, but that is irrelevant today, they squandered that support and people want a change now.
- lentil_soup 9mo ago
  Irrelevant, Chavez died 13 years ago, a lot has happened and changed. Maduro lost the last election hard, he wrecked the support he inherited back then
WarOnPrivacy 9mo ago
> No, they lost the 2024 election by a landslide I don't belittle what VE has gone thru and I accept that something awful for you has been removed from the board. > it’s one of the reasons of what happened today. I would clarify that the current US leadership has little/no history of taking actions that are genuinely for others' welfare. The admin continually claims it is doing good. It's a continual stream, one after the other. By the time one is debunked (and they are), ten more are issued. This method is dividing many Americans (by design) between those who believe the stream of claims and those being overwhelmed by the mountain of debunked falsehoods.

thrownato 9mo ago

That's empirically wrong. Also nearly every single Venezuelan who's left the country since Chavez is against Maduro

ErneX 9mo ago
approx 8 million, and we are not allowed to vote, which is against the constitution.
verzali 9mo ago
That might be why they left, no? The ones who stayed presumably tolerate him more.
- thrownato 9mo ago
  The ones who stayed are mostly too poor and famished to leave.
  - corwinxpro 9mo ago
    any evidence of that?
    - thrownato 9mo ago
      Yeah, read any newspaper.
      - mempko 9mo ago
        And why are they famished? Could it be because of US sanctions and embargoes?
        komali2 9mo ago
        You can't blame America for every single problem people suffer. Cuba was also embargoed and managed to pull off a medical system with a lower infant mortality rate than the USA, and as far as I know nobody starved there to the degree they did in Venezuela. USA sanctions means Venezuela can't be a Petrostate, that's it. There's nothing stopping the government from organizing state industries in agriculture and mineral extraction as well as distribution to build a hyper localized economy. Hell, they're supposed to be communists, this is supposed to be the whole thing they're meant to be doing anyway. The state of Venezuela is mostly the fault of Maduro's failed governance, and some of the responsibility lays also on the heads of Venezuelans. I personally believe to pretend it's all America's fault is to engage in a prejudice of low expectations.