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Well Russia contends Zelensky isn't the legitimate head of state of Ukraine.
by delfinom 10mo ago
Well Russia contends Zelensky isn't the legitimate head of state of Ukraine.
- incrudible 10mo agoYou have to do a lot of mental gymnastics to contend that Zelensky is not the democratically legitimated head of state of Ukraine. For Maduro, it's much simpler: He lost the election, yet he remained in power.
- blell 10mo ago[flagged]
- incrudible 10mo ago> Then, he suspended the next election and no more elections have been celebrated ever since. Yes, but that may have something to do with the fact that his country was invaded and he has been at war ever since. Suspending elections for that reason is legitimate by "our" standards.
- AnimalMuppet 10mo agoWe didn't suspend elections during World War II. We had been attacked (and overseas parts had been invaded and conquered), and we were at war. Elections still went on as normal. Even during the Civil War there were elections, even though there was fighting in some of the states that were voting.
- wiseowise 10mo ago> We [industrial superpower dwarfing whole axis combined, surrounded by ocean with no neighbors who can challenge us and unique geography that makes it literally impossible to invade at the time] didn't suspend election during World War II. We had been attacked [parts so insignificant compared to the whole that there was no reason to even consider delaying elections]... This is the most `ShitAmericansSay` argument ever. What's next? Poland should've held elections while being pounded from both sides? Russia had "elections" during WWI and look where it ended up.
- Hikikomori 10mo ago[flagged]
- dzikimarian 10mo agoYou forgot to add that Ukrainian opposition leader supported suspension.
- andyjohnson0 10mo ago> Then, he suspended the next election Zelensky did not suspend elections. Ukraine's constitution prohibits the holding of elections under conditions of martial law. "However, martial law—imposed after Russia’s full-scale invasion in February 2022 and still in place as the war continues—has prevented elections from taking place. Under Ukrainian law, elections cannot be held while martial law is in effect to ensure continuity of governance and support the nation’s defense." [1] [1] https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/ukraines-presidential-elections-amid-war-political-legal-and-security-challenges https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/ukraines-presidential...
- hypeatei 10mo ago> Then, he suspended the next election No, he didn't do that personally. Ukraine's constitution mandates that elections not be held during times of martial law (i.e. war) Even if that wasn't a thing, do you think holding elections while bombs are going off is a good idea?
- AnimalMuppet 10mo agoI think following the constitution is a good thing, even if bombs are falling. I mean, look, people are dying, and yet the country is not just hunkered down in bunkers for the last four years. Life is going on. People are getting up and going to work and coming home and eating dinner and going to bed. Surely they could also go and vote... if the constitution did not say what it says.
- hypeatei 10mo agoI would agree, but Russia has shown that they're not about fair elections in their own country and they've bombed plenty of civilian targets throughout this conflict. I'd assume that Putin would crank up the notch about 10x on all fronts if he knew elections were taking place to make it impossible to have anything resembling a fair process.
- StephenMelon 10mo agoIt just wouldn’t be possible to have a fair election when a sizeable percentage of the population is living under foreign occupation.
- Sabinus 9mo agoUnder occupation, in Europe, and in the army on the frontlines. It's a difficult thing to achieve even without Russia determined to interfere in the process.
- wiseowise 10mo ago> He won the election in the most corrupt country in Europe. He won by a landslide regardless of corruption (if there ever was one during those elections). Everyone was fed up with Poroshenko, and Zelensky was seen as a new wave, young politician who will bring change (on top of his popularity as a comedian). > he suspended the next election and no more elections have been celebrated ever since. By "he" you mean constitution of Ukraine?
- ulfw 10mo agoAs opposed to Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin of Mother Russia, who won every single one of his extremely fair and properly done democratic elections with a landslide. 88.48 at his last democratic election! So beloved!
- iknowSFR 10mo agoBookmark this comment because it’s going to be very relevant in a few years.
- kcplate 10mo ago[flagged]
- sigmarule 10mo agoSeems silly to ignore that the last date in your list had an event closer to what OP is referring to than any other year, no? Considering he was already crying election fraud in 2016 you could certainly view this as a line with upwards slope…
- kcplate 10mo agoI’m sorry…did I miss martial law being declared in 2021? Did I miss Trump being president from 2021 through 2024?
- AlecSchueler 10mo agoOk, now who can do the toppling? What if China had done this?
- incrudible 10mo agoDone what, exactly? Abduct Maduro?
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo agoHmm, you don't see a simple connection, where China is the counterparty in this power struggle?
- AlecSchueler 10mo agoYes, for example, or forcefully remove the leader of the country of your choice.
- incrudible 10mo agoIf they had removed Maduro because he's an illegitmate autocrat funneling drugs into the US, I'd be deeply confused, considering he's on their side.
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- erkt 10mo ago[flagged]
- balakk 10mo agoI wonder if this emboldens china to do the same to Taiwan..
- erkt 10mo agoChina gets Taiwan without any US intervention as soon as our chip foundries have been built state side. Xi is patient.
- elektronika 10mo agoZelensky has suspended elections since Russia invaded. He hasn't had a chance to be voted out, and probably will never get one.
- Sabinus 9mo agoThe Ukrainian Constitution suspends elections in a State of Emergency. The State of Emergency is renewed regularly by the Ukrainian Parliament. The Ukrainian people are broadly supportive of Zelensky, who is publically open to holding elections if given the space and resources to do so. Which is a ceasefire, and some time and money.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo agoYou think you are making a counter argument, but you just managed to be welcomed to the end of the thought process of this exercise as contending can be done by just about anyone. It reinforces a bad precedent.