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The US continuing a long tradition of interference in LatAm: https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/world/the-united-states-history-of-intervening-in-latin-america.ph

by _bypa 9mo ago

The US continuing a long tradition of interference in LatAm: https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/world/the-united-states-history-of-intervening-in-latin-america.phtml https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/world/the-united-states-hist... edit: typo

hexbin010 9mo ago
And a list of the wider world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... It's a long read but that should not be a surprise to most people.
krona 9mo ago
The Monroe Doctrine is over 200 years old and simple enough for your average dictator to understand. Don't expect the US to turn a blind eye to investments in key strategic assets of your country by its strategic rivals. I don't think it's a coincidence that a special envoy of Xi met Maduro hours before being captured. It was probably the final straw.
- tsimionescu 9mo ago
  That doesn't make it in any way acceptable. No one accepts (nor should they accept) Russia doing the same in its sphere of influence, for example.
  - krona 9mo ago
    Sure it might be unacceptable but realpolitik and realism has little to do with anyones moral or ethical principles.
    - tsimionescu 9mo ago
      Realpolitik can only ever be an explanation, not a justification. We don't need to accept this from our leaders, especially if we live in any of the more powerful nations of the globe.
      - krona 9mo ago
        The last US president to seriously question their country's foreign policy got their head blown off. It goes without saying that Trump is not a serious person.
      - PlanksVariable 9mo ago
        Everyone wants to live in the most powerful nation of the globe. Nobody wants to acknowledge what it takes to be the most powerful nation in the world.
  - relaxing 9mo ago
    It seems we are accepting Russia enacting regime change, though.
    - tsimionescu 9mo ago
      Even if a peace deal is reached, and even if that is part of the peace deal, that doesn't mean we are accepting it: we [Europeans] fought (mostly economically) a good 5 years to try to prevent it, and lost. Accepting this would have meant not providing any aid to Ukraine and instead just saying "Russia has a clear doctrine of not allowing NATO control of the Ukraine region" as if this justified and their actions.
      - relaxing 9mo ago
        Sorry, that was meant as a statement on the US regime, not the Europeans.
      - throwaway1389z 9mo ago
        You didn't fought, you got sacrificed at the alter of US interests.
        Sabinus 9mo ago
        US interests? Russia is more of a threat to Europe than America. And Europeans know it.
        throwaway1389z 9mo ago
        Russia is one of Europe's major trading partner. This issue is also the same for Australia, where they go against their largest trading partner to appease the US Empire.
- antonymoose 9mo ago
  > It was probably the final straw. Per the speech given by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, this operation was already green light for an unspecified period of time, but they waited on ideal weather conditions to launch the operation.
  - ragazzina 9mo ago
    Good thing they have no reason to lie then.
guerrilla 9mo ago
Yeah, it's a long list. https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities...
- sgt 9mo ago
  Yawn. That site is like the conspiracy nut's dream. If you look hard enough, you find evidence for pretty much anything, it turns out.
  - gregbot 9mo ago
    >On December 2021, The New York Times published the Civilian Casualty Files. These files reveal that the US military, under the Obama and Trump administrations, deliberately killed civilians Ah yes that well known conspiracy site known as “The New York Times” /s
  - N_Lens 9mo ago
    Take your meds and get to bed grandpa.

by _bypa 9mo ago

hexbin010 9mo ago

And a list of the wider world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r... It's a long read but that should not be a surprise to most people.

krona 9mo ago

The Monroe Doctrine is over 200 years old and simple enough for your average dictator to understand. Don't expect the US to turn a blind eye to investments in key strategic assets of your country by its strategic rivals. I don't think it's a coincidence that a special envoy of Xi met Maduro hours before being captured. It was probably the final straw.

tsimionescu 9mo ago
That doesn't make it in any way acceptable. No one accepts (nor should they accept) Russia doing the same in its sphere of influence, for example.
- krona 9mo ago
  Sure it might be unacceptable but realpolitik and realism has little to do with anyones moral or ethical principles.
  - tsimionescu 9mo ago
    Realpolitik can only ever be an explanation, not a justification. We don't need to accept this from our leaders, especially if we live in any of the more powerful nations of the globe.
    - krona 9mo ago
      The last US president to seriously question their country's foreign policy got their head blown off. It goes without saying that Trump is not a serious person.
    - PlanksVariable 9mo ago
      Everyone wants to live in the most powerful nation of the globe. Nobody wants to acknowledge what it takes to be the most powerful nation in the world.
- relaxing 9mo ago
  It seems we are accepting Russia enacting regime change, though.
  - tsimionescu 9mo ago
    Even if a peace deal is reached, and even if that is part of the peace deal, that doesn't mean we are accepting it: we [Europeans] fought (mostly economically) a good 5 years to try to prevent it, and lost. Accepting this would have meant not providing any aid to Ukraine and instead just saying "Russia has a clear doctrine of not allowing NATO control of the Ukraine region" as if this justified and their actions.
    - relaxing 9mo ago
      Sorry, that was meant as a statement on the US regime, not the Europeans.
    - throwaway1389z 9mo ago
      You didn't fought, you got sacrificed at the alter of US interests.
      - Sabinus 9mo ago
        US interests? Russia is more of a threat to Europe than America. And Europeans know it.
        throwaway1389z 9mo ago
        Russia is one of Europe's major trading partner. This issue is also the same for Australia, where they go against their largest trading partner to appease the US Empire.
antonymoose 9mo ago
> It was probably the final straw. Per the speech given by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, this operation was already green light for an unspecified period of time, but they waited on ideal weather conditions to launch the operation.
- ragazzina 9mo ago
  Good thing they have no reason to lie then.

guerrilla 9mo ago

Yeah, it's a long list. https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities.md https://github.com/dessalines/essays/blob/main/us_atrocities...

sgt 9mo ago
Yawn. That site is like the conspiracy nut's dream. If you look hard enough, you find evidence for pretty much anything, it turns out.
- gregbot 9mo ago
  >On December 2021, The New York Times published the Civilian Casualty Files. These files reveal that the US military, under the Obama and Trump administrations, deliberately killed civilians Ah yes that well known conspiracy site known as “The New York Times” /s
- N_Lens 9mo ago
  Take your meds and get to bed grandpa.