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Reagan something very similar twice and it worked out reasonably(ish) fine. Of course Venesuela isn't that similar to Panama or Granada in various ways. Given
by pqtyw 10mo ago
Reagan something very similar twice and it worked out reasonably(ish) fine.
Of course Venesuela isn't that similar to Panama or Granada in various ways. Given the massive amounts of internal issues, and insanely high levels of crime/murder removing the government and washing your hands might turn it into something like Haiti...
Fundamentally on the moral level removing oppressive tyrants like Sadam, Maduro, Gaddafi etc. is the right thing to do. Of course nobody ever figured out how to prevent the situation from getting even worse in the aftermath..
- mikkupikku 10mo agoI do concede that it is possible the situation will deescalate from here on out, but there is no possible way to be sure of that. Right now the situation is very volatile and could very easily spiral into a huge mess. MAGA people don't want to acknowledge that possibility, because they want to believe Trump is honest and competent.
- knicholes 10mo ago"MAGA people," yeesh.
- mikkupikku 10mo agoSorry, I meant "People of a MAGA Persuasion." People first terminology, right?
- knicholes 10mo agoI think you would be best served prioritizing other areas of study over geopolitical conflicts; one that teaches you to respect people, even if their beliefs differ from your own.
- mikkupikku 10mo agoLol, you're crying about "MAGA people"
- iaebsdfsh 10mo agoMAGAts?
- knicholes 9mo agoIs that as socially repugnant to me as "libtard" is to you?
- delayedrelease 10mo agoWe should just make them a territory like Guam and instead of assuming we'll fix everything and give it back, we'll just work under the assumption that we're keeping it indefinitely.
- jacquesm 10mo agoI think Trump heard you. Stop giving them ideas.
- delayedrelease 10mo agoWe shouldn't stop with Venezuela, need to take the entire hemisphere while we're at it.
- jacquesm 10mo agoI sincerely hope you are joking or sarcastic. If not...
- macNchz 10mo agoExamples of US-facilitated regime change that resulted in lasting stability/democracy are more the exception than the rule, when you look at the track record overall.
- adriand 10mo ago> Fundamentally on the moral level removing oppressive tyrants like Sadam, Maduro, Gaddafi etc. is the right thing to do. If the issue was what was “right” then Trump wouldn’t have cozied up to Putin and abandoned Ukraine, or cozied up to MBS and waved away his murder of a US journalist, and on and on it goes. This administration has zero moral credibility. I don’t know what will happen in Venezuela but we should all be skeptical of fruit from a poisonous tree.
- t-3 10mo agoWhy aren't we getting rid of the Saudi, Qatari, Emirati, Egyptian, etc. governments?
- Aloha 10mo agoSo I dont think we should but doing regime change - however the ones you cited appear to have broad popular support in their respective lands and are at most minor nuisances to their neighbors - they're also participants in the international community too.
- markdown 10mo ago> the ones you cited appear to have broad popular support in their respective lands So you're saying that authoritarianism works and is just fine. The implication is that Venezuala is a shithole and it's people are unhappy with their leader because of sanctions, not because of the lack of democracy.
- Aloha 9mo agoI'm saying people have a right to choose that, and moreover it's not my obligation as an American to fund overthrowing those regimes, or for that matter make them pariahs for being undemocratic alone. As much as I dislike it, there are also an acceptable amount of human right abuses before we care, and its somewhere between punishing dissidents and genocide. Venezuela had economic issues before sanctions due to chronic mismanagement of the economy, which led to a humanitarian crisis causing a mass exodus (which made the economic issues worse).
- SauntSolaire 10mo agoOstensibly the difference lies in the monroe doctrine, though of course the real issue is practicality.