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Java: An ecosystem worth billions with IDEs in peril

• jbhn 9mo ago
  TL;DR: Java’s multi-billion-dollar ecosystem is quietly dependent on a shrinking, fragile IDE infrastructure, and without deliberate investment beyond IntelliJ and Eclipse, its long-term developer productivity is at serious risk.
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  • musicale 9mo ago
    So the outlook is good for emacs, vim, and maybe VSCode?
• cmwelsh 9mo ago
  Why absolutely no mention of VS Code?
  • jbhn 9mo ago
    VS Code uses LSPs which are mentioned.
• pjmlp 9mo ago
  Another one that doesn't understand VSCode plugins make use of Netbeans and Eclipse running headless. Sponsored by Red-Hat/IBM, Microsoft and Oracle. And the tooling for an operating system with 70% of the market, sponsored from JetBrains and Google.
• anthk 9mo ago
  Sadly, Java (and C#) runs serious company software, not smartphone/tablet toys as dumb remote clients. Also, Android dominates the world. Call it weird Java, because it's actually that. I'd love everyone shifted to Go, but that won't happen soon. Java it's a bit like Cobol, surviving because of legacy needs; but contrary to Cobol everyone can get a JDK and start programming in no time in any OS and with tons of documentation and support. And I don't actually like Java, but things in real life work like that. If some serious company needs a middleware or management software, your bets will be either on Java or the weird cousing, C# where a programmer can get in no time from the former. Go shines on (micro)services and everything concurrent.
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  • Traubenfuchs 9mo ago
    On the backend at least, you can now use kotlin, which has perfect java interop. For spring, an automatic docker container and native compiled docker container mvn command exists. No excuse to hate the jvm and its amazing ecosystem anymore.
  • humanfromearth9 9mo ago
    I wouldn't want to trade Java for Go.