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A slight difference is, Ukraine was armed and trained by Nato in the years before. Venezuela was supported a bit by Cuba, which is very poor as well. Russia di

by lukan 10mo ago

A slight difference is, Ukraine was armed and trained by Nato in the years before. Venezuela was supported a bit by Cuba, which is very poor as well. Russia did not help them. (I believe because of a deal with Trump)

wrzuteczka 10mo ago
Russia has been literally selling Venezuela all kinds of military equipment for decades. If they hadn’t helped Venezuela militarily this time, it’s probably because they are a little busy losing thousands of troops per week in Ukraine.
- lukan 10mo ago
  Yes, they sold things to Venezuela. Nato gave Ukraine weapons and training for free.
  - wiseowise 10mo ago
    "for free"
    - lukan 10mo ago
      Largely, yes. No formal contract of getting things in return. Only now with Trump it shifted to transaction. But europe is largely still gifting.
kjksf 10mo ago
A bigger difference is that Ukrainians want to defend Ukraine from Russia. Maduro is a dictator. His first presidency was legitimate but he had to steal the last election and is now ruling by force, because he is so unpopular. Majority of Venezuelan don't want to fight US. They want Maduro out and the person who actually won last election to rule. US doesn't want to occupy Venezuela. They want a government that is aligned with US and not with Russia/China/Iran. The goals of US and majority of Venezuelans align.
- lukan 10mo ago
  That is somewhat true, but how would you know that part? "Majority of Venezuelan don't want to fight US. They want Maduro out and the person who actually won last election to rule." We will see that, if there will be free elections soon. And then I would be curious what would happen, if the winner is someone different and does not grant US companies exclusive oil deals, but keep them nationalized. What do you think will happen then?
culebron21 10mo ago
Russia sold some military equipment, but also, I recall in 2008-10 Venezuela got a loan from Russia (IIRC after acknoledging Abkhasia & Ossetia states), ...but spent it on American helicopters, not Russian. (A friend of mine worked in helicopter plant in Novosibirsk, that were doing services for Venezuelians, fixing and upgrading soviet Mi's. They had hillarious messages, like "With a hot Bolivarian salute, we inform you...") IDK how much they had, and whether that was sufficient. Apparently, doesn't matter now, because the Venezuelian arms stayed silent.

by lukan 10mo ago

wrzuteczka 10mo ago

Russia has been literally selling Venezuela all kinds of military equipment for decades. If they hadn’t helped Venezuela militarily this time, it’s probably because they are a little busy losing thousands of troops per week in Ukraine.

lukan 10mo ago
Yes, they sold things to Venezuela. Nato gave Ukraine weapons and training for free.
- wiseowise 10mo ago
  "for free"
  - lukan 10mo ago
    Largely, yes. No formal contract of getting things in return. Only now with Trump it shifted to transaction. But europe is largely still gifting.

kjksf 10mo ago

A bigger difference is that Ukrainians want to defend Ukraine from Russia. Maduro is a dictator. His first presidency was legitimate but he had to steal the last election and is now ruling by force, because he is so unpopular. Majority of Venezuelan don't want to fight US. They want Maduro out and the person who actually won last election to rule. US doesn't want to occupy Venezuela. They want a government that is aligned with US and not with Russia/China/Iran. The goals of US and majority of Venezuelans align.

lukan 10mo ago
That is somewhat true, but how would you know that part? "Majority of Venezuelan don't want to fight US. They want Maduro out and the person who actually won last election to rule." We will see that, if there will be free elections soon. And then I would be curious what would happen, if the winner is someone different and does not grant US companies exclusive oil deals, but keep them nationalized. What do you think will happen then?

culebron21 10mo ago

Russia sold some military equipment, but also, I recall in 2008-10 Venezuela got a loan from Russia (IIRC after acknoledging Abkhasia & Ossetia states), ...but spent it on American helicopters, not Russian. (A friend of mine worked in helicopter plant in Novosibirsk, that were doing services for Venezuelians, fixing and upgrading soviet Mi's. They had hillarious messages, like "With a hot Bolivarian salute, we inform you...") IDK how much they had, and whether that was sufficient. Apparently, doesn't matter now, because the Venezuelian arms stayed silent.