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> We don't want models that do this. But plenty enough people do want them. Grok is meeting demand.

by chrisjj 10mo ago

ben_w 10mo ago
"We the people" in agregate. "Many individuals" != democratic majority. To argue otherwise is to claim that the ~1% of the population who are into this are going to sway the governments or the people they represent.
- chrisjj 10mo ago
  If we're talking about undressing, there is no aggregate. Some people want something; others want them not to have it. Simple. What the former want is not illegal. So the fact they are a minority is irrelevent. Minorites have rights too. If we're talking about genuine CSAM, that very different and not even limited to undressing.
  - ben_w 10mo ago
    > If we're talking about genuine CSAM, that very different and not even limited to undressing. Why would you think I was talking about anything else? Also, "subset" != "very different" > What the former want is not illegal. So the fact they are a minority is irrelevent. Minorites have rights too. This is newsworthy because non-consensual undressing of images of a minor, even by an AI, already passes the requisite threshold in law and by broad social agreement. This is not a protected minority.
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    - chrisjj 10mo ago
      > Why would you think I was talking about anything else? Because this thread shows CSAM confused with other, e.g. simple child pornography. And even the source of the quote isn't helping. Clicking its https://www.iwf.org.uk/ https://www.iwf.org.uk/ "Find out why we use the term ‘child sexual abuse’ instead of ‘child pornography’." gives 403 - Forbidden: Access is denied. Fortunately a good explanation of the difference can be found here: https://www.thorn.org/blog/ai-generated-child-sexual-abuse-the-new-digital-threat-we-must-confront-now/ https://www.thorn.org/blog/ai-generated-child-sexual-abuse-t... > This is newsworthy because non-consensual undressing of images of a minor, even by an AI That's not the usage in question. The usage is "generate realistic pictures of undressed minors". Undressing images of real people is prohibited.

> We don't want models that do this. But plenty enough people do want them. Grok is meeting demand.

by chrisjj 10mo ago

> We don't want models that do this. But plenty enough people do want them. Grok is meeting demand.

ben_w 10mo ago

"We the people" in agregate. "Many individuals" != democratic majority. To argue otherwise is to claim that the ~1% of the population who are into this are going to sway the governments or the people they represent.

chrisjj 10mo ago
If we're talking about undressing, there is no aggregate. Some people want something; others want them not to have it. Simple. What the former want is not illegal. So the fact they are a minority is irrelevent. Minorites have rights too. If we're talking about genuine CSAM, that very different and not even limited to undressing.
- ben_w 10mo ago
  > If we're talking about genuine CSAM, that very different and not even limited to undressing. Why would you think I was talking about anything else? Also, "subset" != "very different" > What the former want is not illegal. So the fact they are a minority is irrelevent. Minorites have rights too. This is newsworthy because non-consensual undressing of images of a minor, even by an AI, already passes the requisite threshold in law and by broad social agreement. This is not a protected minority.
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  - chrisjj 10mo ago
    > Why would you think I was talking about anything else? Because this thread shows CSAM confused with other, e.g. simple child pornography. And even the source of the quote isn't helping. Clicking its https://www.iwf.org.uk/ https://www.iwf.org.uk/ "Find out why we use the term ‘child sexual abuse’ instead of ‘child pornography’." gives 403 - Forbidden: Access is denied. Fortunately a good explanation of the difference can be found here: https://www.thorn.org/blog/ai-generated-child-sexual-abuse-the-new-digital-threat-we-must-confront-now/ https://www.thorn.org/blog/ai-generated-child-sexual-abuse-t... > This is newsworthy because non-consensual undressing of images of a minor, even by an AI That's not the usage in question. The usage is "generate realistic pictures of undressed minors". Undressing images of real people is prohibited.