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> not supported by the vast majority of the country Votes suggest otherwise.

_cenw 9mo ago
We both know this is an imperfect statement without getting into a lecture about representative democracy or voting modalities.
- throwawaysleep 9mo ago
  Americans have been all for this the last couple of rounds as well.
- KingOfCoders 9mo ago
  Trump won the electoral vote [edit: and the popular vote]
  - sokoloff 9mo ago
    That’s the one that governs, but in 2024 he also won the popular vote.
    - _cenw 9mo ago
      I guess we'll forever wonder how much of the lack of turnout was due to backing the wrong party outside a swing state.
- squidbeak 9mo ago
  This is muddying with jargon. You're insisting on nuance where there is none: Trump won emphatically, and the campaign couldn't have been clearer about what MAGA intended to do in power.
  - int_19h 9mo ago
    As I recall, Trump specifically campaign on the promise of no more wars.
  - _cenw 9mo ago
    Nope, I will not get myself dragged into this mud, except maybe to say that by the numbers, "not voting" won.
  - maxerickson 9mo ago
    The combined margin in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania (which could combine to flip the election) was about 250,000 votes. That's not all that emphatic.
swiftcoder 9mo ago
The polls[0] on the war do not necessarily fall along party lines [0]: https://usapolling.substack.com/p/america-marches-into-another-forever https://usapolling.substack.com/p/america-marches-into-anoth...
- throwawaysleep 9mo ago
  > 60% of Americans oppose sending US troops into Venezuela to remove Maduro from power. Support is heavily concentrated among Republicans, with 58% in favor, compared to just 21% of independents and 14% of Democrats. But they do.
  - flyinglizard 9mo ago
    Now that Trump has reported that Maduro was removed from power, it will be interesting to run this poll again and see the support given the success of the operation.
    - deleted 9mo ago
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  - Synaesthesia 9mo ago
    So there we see that the vast majority of the country opposes this war.
    - throwawaysleep 9mo ago
      60% is far from vast and the party in power is all for it.
      - swiftcoder 9mo ago
        60% represents a considerably greater margin than any presidential election in recent memory
wesleywt 9mo ago
He promised his voters no new wars. So your statement is completely wrong.
- KingOfCoders 9mo ago
  He asked why he can't use nukes in 2016. Trump is pro raw power, pro war, always was, always will be. "We didn't vote for this" - all Germans 1945. SPOILER ALERT: They did, it was all in "Mein Kampf". I hate it when everyone says "Nazi Germany" instead of just "Germany".
- lb1lf 9mo ago
  Perhaps it is just a Special Military Operation?

_cenw 9mo ago

We both know this is an imperfect statement without getting into a lecture about representative democracy or voting modalities.

throwawaysleep 9mo ago
Americans have been all for this the last couple of rounds as well.
KingOfCoders 9mo ago
Trump won the electoral vote [edit: and the popular vote]
- sokoloff 9mo ago
  That’s the one that governs, but in 2024 he also won the popular vote.
  - _cenw 9mo ago
    I guess we'll forever wonder how much of the lack of turnout was due to backing the wrong party outside a swing state.
squidbeak 9mo ago
This is muddying with jargon. You're insisting on nuance where there is none: Trump won emphatically, and the campaign couldn't have been clearer about what MAGA intended to do in power.
- int_19h 9mo ago
  As I recall, Trump specifically campaign on the promise of no more wars.
- _cenw 9mo ago
  Nope, I will not get myself dragged into this mud, except maybe to say that by the numbers, "not voting" won.
- maxerickson 9mo ago
  The combined margin in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania (which could combine to flip the election) was about 250,000 votes. That's not all that emphatic.

swiftcoder 9mo ago

The polls[0] on the war do not necessarily fall along party lines [0]: https://usapolling.substack.com/p/america-marches-into-another-forever https://usapolling.substack.com/p/america-marches-into-anoth...

throwawaysleep 9mo ago
> 60% of Americans oppose sending US troops into Venezuela to remove Maduro from power. Support is heavily concentrated among Republicans, with 58% in favor, compared to just 21% of independents and 14% of Democrats. But they do.
- flyinglizard 9mo ago
  Now that Trump has reported that Maduro was removed from power, it will be interesting to run this poll again and see the support given the success of the operation.
  - deleted 9mo ago
    [deleted]
- Synaesthesia 9mo ago
  So there we see that the vast majority of the country opposes this war.
  - throwawaysleep 9mo ago
    60% is far from vast and the party in power is all for it.
    - swiftcoder 9mo ago
      60% represents a considerably greater margin than any presidential election in recent memory

wesleywt 9mo ago

He promised his voters no new wars. So your statement is completely wrong.

KingOfCoders 9mo ago
He asked why he can't use nukes in 2016. Trump is pro raw power, pro war, always was, always will be. "We didn't vote for this" - all Germans 1945. SPOILER ALERT: They did, it was all in "Mein Kampf". I hate it when everyone says "Nazi Germany" instead of just "Germany".
lb1lf 9mo ago
Perhaps it is just a Special Military Operation?