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This is illegal, immoral and not supported by the vast majority of the country. Every us citizen and every elected official needs to act, now, to stop this.
by jmward01 10mo ago
This is illegal, immoral and not supported by the vast majority of the country. Every us citizen and every elected official needs to act, now, to stop this.
- throwawaysleep 10mo ago> not supported by the vast majority of the country Votes suggest otherwise.
- _cenw 10mo agoWe both know this is an imperfect statement without getting into a lecture about representative democracy or voting modalities.
- throwawaysleep 10mo agoAmericans have been all for this the last couple of rounds as well.
- KingOfCoders 10mo agoTrump won the electoral vote [edit: and the popular vote]
- squidbeak 10mo agoThis is muddying with jargon. You're insisting on nuance where there is none: Trump won emphatically, and the campaign couldn't have been clearer about what MAGA intended to do in power.
- int_19h 10mo agoAs I recall, Trump specifically campaign on the promise of no more wars.
- _cenw 10mo agoNope, I will not get myself dragged into this mud, except maybe to say that by the numbers, "not voting" won.
- maxerickson 10mo agoThe combined margin in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania (which could combine to flip the election) was about 250,000 votes. That's not all that emphatic.
- swiftcoder 10mo agoThe polls[0] on the war do not necessarily fall along party lines [0]: https://usapolling.substack.com/p/america-marches-into-another-forever https://usapolling.substack.com/p/america-marches-into-anoth...
- throwawaysleep 10mo ago> 60% of Americans oppose sending US troops into Venezuela to remove Maduro from power. Support is heavily concentrated among Republicans, with 58% in favor, compared to just 21% of independents and 14% of Democrats. But they do.
- flyinglizard 10mo agoNow that Trump has reported that Maduro was removed from power, it will be interesting to run this poll again and see the support given the success of the operation.
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- Synaesthesia 10mo agoSo there we see that the vast majority of the country opposes this war.
- throwawaysleep 10mo ago60% is far from vast and the party in power is all for it.
- swiftcoder 10mo ago60% represents a considerably greater margin than any presidential election in recent memory
- wesleywt 10mo agoHe promised his voters no new wars. So your statement is completely wrong.
- KingOfCoders 10mo agoHe asked why he can't use nukes in 2016. Trump is pro raw power, pro war, always was, always will be. "We didn't vote for this" - all Germans 1945. SPOILER ALERT: They did, it was all in "Mein Kampf". I hate it when everyone says "Nazi Germany" instead of just "Germany".
- lb1lf 10mo agoPerhaps it is just a Special Military Operation?
- flyinglizard 10mo agoI'd avoid speaking in absolute terms, especially when you're wrong.
- jmward01 10mo agoAt this very moment I am likely a lot of things, but at the top of the list is mad. Very, very mad. I don't have words for this anymore or the patience to debate the intricacies of the broken system that has gotten us here. I am just viscerally, exceptionally, mad. Something will change.
- flyinglizard 10mo agoA hostile dictator that caused lots of suffering to his people was removed from power. I don't think mad is the right sentiment but to each his own.
- tossandthrow 10mo agoOof - imagine if the rest of the world decided to abduct the US president using the same argument - and oh yeah, Americans better be grateful.
- simianparrot 10mo ago[flagged]
- KingOfCoders 10mo agoThe majority of the country voted for this. Trump won the electoral vote. Trump asked why the US can't nuke other countries when it has so many nukes. Trump loves war ("department of war") loves bombing other countries - always has. That he is so eager to use nukes should frighten everyone.
- tossandthrow 10mo agoEspecially in the US, this is a strawman. There is simply not enough granularity of choice that you can make voters accountable for every action Trump does.
- stouset 10mo agoTrump was wildly transparent about what kind of person he is. In this case, you can and should.
- KingOfCoders 10mo agoGuy: "Why do we have nukes if we don't use them?" Same Guy: "If Europe doesn't buy more weapons from us, Russia should invade Europe, torture, plunder and kill people and do their worst." People: "I guess I vote for that guy!" Guy randomly bombs Iran, Yemen, Nigeria, Venezuela, Iraq, Somalia and Syria - people "Huh? I didn't vote for this".
- tossandthrow 10mo agoThe US only has two parties and decisions are decoupled from the wishes of the people. It is already a stretch to call it a democracy - which is required to insist on democratic reasoning.
- KingOfCoders 10mo agoThe US only has two parties because people only want two parties. The "our team vs. other team" is so ingrained in US all thinking, people can't stop. Football is not played with three teams. The election system doesn't help, but there is nothing in the constitution that says "Only two parties".
- stouset 10mo agoThe majority of the country voted for this. Don’t let them off the hook so easily.
- Brybry 10mo agoTechnically ~49.8% of voters, ~31.6% of eligible voters, or ~22.7% of the US population. Or at least those were the numbers when I looked it up 10 months ago.
- jutter 10mo ago[flagged]
- conradfr 10mo agoNot supported by the people of the USA or the people of Venezuela?