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I don't feel nationalism. I want good public infra, more housing because it simply makes life better. For example, have you ever released anything FOSS? I haven

I don't feel nationalism. I want good public infra, more housing because it simply makes life better. For example, have you ever released anything FOSS? I haven't yet but it is my aspiration to, I don't care which country or person it helps. I will happily support liberal democratic elements whether they be Germans in Germany or blacks in America or any other group. And conversely, I would absolutely fucking hate any of my tax money supporting far right wing elements in my own country/race or otherwise. But I am not stupid enough to deny improvements in my country just to spite these retards.

servo_sausage 10mo ago
Sure, I use and contribute to some; and participate in international groups. The key part for me though is the voluntary nature. I can participate as much or as little as I like, and my motivation to participate can be entirely individualistic, and the whole thing still works (more or less). Taxation and policing is not voluntary however; and I frequently see the proceeds going to short term initiatives, that are promoted based on how much they impact some minority group specifically. Advancing one group in a democracy is not often even a neutral action; its entirely possible to use resources so poorly that it's harmful overall. (Both in economic terms, but also in more abstract things like public trust in policing, or tolerance of corruption)
- donkeybeer 10mo ago
  And for me the slicing in dicing happens for non-racial axes, I don't like certain racial minorities getting some subsidies but I don't "feel it in my bones" so to speak whereas I absolutely hate in my very bones the fact that eg conservative voting provinces are getting services from my tax money. Ideally of course I'd prefer not subsidizing any racial groups. Again, the concept of a country or nation defined without race or ethnicity is much closer to what I believe in anyways, except I want it at an even large scale.
- donkeybeer 10mo ago
  Eg I dislike mistreatment of a person of my race or any other race but its not due to racial kinship but distaste for mistreatment in general. I would say I am very low on race, you could say even deracinated and anti national overall in my worldview.

servo_sausage 10mo ago

Sure, I use and contribute to some; and participate in international groups. The key part for me though is the voluntary nature. I can participate as much or as little as I like, and my motivation to participate can be entirely individualistic, and the whole thing still works (more or less). Taxation and policing is not voluntary however; and I frequently see the proceeds going to short term initiatives, that are promoted based on how much they impact some minority group specifically. Advancing one group in a democracy is not often even a neutral action; its entirely possible to use resources so poorly that it's harmful overall. (Both in economic terms, but also in more abstract things like public trust in policing, or tolerance of corruption)

donkeybeer 10mo ago
And for me the slicing in dicing happens for non-racial axes, I don't like certain racial minorities getting some subsidies but I don't "feel it in my bones" so to speak whereas I absolutely hate in my very bones the fact that eg conservative voting provinces are getting services from my tax money. Ideally of course I'd prefer not subsidizing any racial groups. Again, the concept of a country or nation defined without race or ethnicity is much closer to what I believe in anyways, except I want it at an even large scale.
donkeybeer 10mo ago
Eg I dislike mistreatment of a person of my race or any other race but its not due to racial kinship but distaste for mistreatment in general. I would say I am very low on race, you could say even deracinated and anti national overall in my worldview.