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Maduro is a coward and has no military power People here saying it's "unjustified" should go and talk to a displaced Venezuelan.
by raverbashing 10mo ago
Maduro is a coward and has no military power
People here saying it's "unjustified" should go and talk to a displaced Venezuelan.
- girvo 10mo agoMaduro is a piece of shit. But a military invasion of another country to commit regime change is literally what Russia tried to do to Ukraine. America has blood on it's hands yet again. EDIT: If the reports are true that Maduro has been captured and the fighting stops, then that's the best resolution one could hope out of this horrible situation. I pray for the Venezuelan people.
- nospice 10mo agoRight, and that's what the Allies did in Germany in 1945. I don't think it's helpful to paint everything with such a broad brush. Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. They took part of it in 2014, then came back for more, and then organized sham annexation referendums in the regions they did control. Whatever the US is trying to achieve in Venezuela, it's probably not that. All war is deplorable, but some lead to good outcomes and some to bad ones.
- girvo 10mo ago> Russia is trying to annex Ukraine And to start with they were trying to achieve this through regime change via a "surgical" (by their standards) strike on the government and capital. That failed. America is doing this explicitly to take control of Venezuela's resources. It's no different.
- swiftcoder 10mo ago> Whatever the US is trying to achieve in Venezuela, it's probably not that Presumably we're only trying to annex their oil reserves
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- girvo 10mo agoGoing to change your tune now that Trump has said that the US will run Venezuela? They’re not even pretending. This is far far more similar than it is different.
- NetMageSCW 10mo agoNo, what Russia has tried to do to Ukraine is annex it as part of Russia. Not nearly the same, even if both are reprehensible.
- raverbashing 10mo agoSome regimes deserved to be changed (and of course there are second order consequences) I know some sheltered academics on Epstein's list disagree with that but that's a hill I will die on
- calf 10mo agoChomsky's argument was never that "no regime deserves to be changed", so maybe academic skills come in useful when comprehending arguments, books, and hills.
- throwaway85825 10mo agoThe critical reaction is from the people on the Venezuelan street tomorrow.
- girvo 10mo agoI’m naively hopeful that they will band together without more bloodshed. I worry though
- throwaway85825 10mo agoEither the Venezuelan people demand new elections or a Maduro faction member succeeds him with the support of the military.
- ric2b 10mo agoI'm old enough to remember people in Iraq cheering for the fall of Saddam. Didn't make it great.
- Arn_Thor 10mo agoIt might be welcome by the majority of Venezuelans (nor not, depending what’s next) but it is not justified in a US domestic sense or indeed by international law
- tclancy 10mo agoI keep seeing this argument in here, but no one seems to point at any actual Venezuelans or message boards or whatever to support the point. Personally I only know a couple, classmates from decades ago who are FB friends and while they don’t support Maduro IIRC, I also don’t see any posts celebrating this great victory for the people. Who knows, maybe they’re partied out.
- int_19h 10mo agoWhy talk only to displaced Venezuelans though? If you want meaningful data, your sample shouldn't be biased. What is the overall proportion of Venezuelans supporting this action?
- grumple 10mo agoThe vast majority of Venezuelans voted for his opponent in the last election, which is widely considered to have been stolen by Venezuelans and the international community: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Venezuelan_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Venezuelan_presidential_e... There have been widespread protests in Venezuela throughout Maduro’s regime, but especially after the election.
- int_19h 10mo agoThe question isn't how many Venezuelans oppose Maduro, but rather how many Venezuelans wanted US to invade their country to oust him.
- grumple 10mo agoThere are videos of Venezuelans celebrating in the streets, singing in large groups, cheering. I saw a video of someone from a balcony and it sounded like the entire city of Caracas was cheering. You can wait a few years for a survey or throw one up yourself. The reaction I'm seeing from second-hand and direct reddit comments from actual Venezualans seems really positive.
- raverbashing 10mo agoYour attempts to sounding smart only betray a profound ignorance of the current state of things in Venezuela