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The only force that can do anything about this, is the American people. Which is why they have been subverted and subjugated and all their will usurped.

mvdtnz 10mo ago
The American people voted for this man in a free and fair election. No subjugation or subversion needed.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > American people voted for this man in a free and fair election Americans voted for a man who promised no foreign wars and, in his first term, was relatively peaceful [1]. [1][ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_first_Trump_administration#Timeline_of_notable_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_first_Tr...
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  This man did not say he was going to bomb anything until after he was voted in, so the American people were - once again - completely duped by their own hubris.
  - progval 10mo ago
    > This man did not say he was going to bomb anything until after he was voted in Except Mexico (https://www.vox.com/policy/363146/trump-policy-war-mexico-trade-deportation-border https://www.vox.com/policy/363146/trump-policy-war-mexico-tr...) and Iran (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4898919-trump-iran-smithereens-threats/ https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4898919-trump-iran-smi...).
- thrance 10mo ago
  The entire media apparatus is owned by oligarchs: from Fox News to Twitter to Meta, now CNN... All are relaying non-stop right-wing propaganda. There can be no real democracy while information is this captive.
- acdha 10mo ago
  A third of the American people voted for him, based on a campaign which promised a completely different economy than he has delivered (remember when people were pretending Biden had an egg-price level in the Oval Office?) and no foreign wars. It is unreasonable to look at that election and say a plurality voted for this.
- UncleMeat 10mo ago
  And the american people can get their shit together and hang him for his crimes.
  - MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
    Now this I would like to see, but I have serious doubts it will ever happen. I don’t think the American people have the courage to do something about their heinous, out of control government, personally. Happy to be proven wrong, because it would be a legitimate step to world peace on behalf of the American people, but I seriously doubt they are, as a population, capable of it.
    - UncleMeat 10mo ago
      I largely agree with you. Democratic leadership responded to an attempted coup by slow rolling prosecution with the hope that Trump would simply recede from public life and they'd never have to do the hard thing of trying and convicting a former president.
      - MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
        The Democrats have just as much blood on their hands as their Republican counterparts, and that is the problem - the only force capable of dealing with this conundrum is the American people, and they are too busy playing sides to actually confront the reality of their nations heinous war crimes record.
krapp 10mo ago
>Which is why they have been subverted and subjugated and all their will usurped. But America's armed populace and the stalwart vigilance of its militias are supposed to make that impossible. Americans were more up in arms (literal and figurative) over Obamacare and Covid lockdowns than anything Trump has done, domestically or abroad. The only rational conclusion is that they're either complicit or else they simply don't care.
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  Americans are the most propagandized peoples on the planet. Those bullets can’t stop information, and there is a massive information war going on to keep the American people divided. Those who could effectively field a real protest or uprising are either too busy trying to keep their credit cards from defaulting, or are living on the streets addicted to drugs. General strikes? Forget it, America doesn’t have the infrastructure in place (local food sources) to sustain such a thing…
- int_19h 10mo ago
  America's armed populace is a relatively small percentage of its citizenry, and predominantly leans right populist, so...
  - krapp 10mo ago
    Populations of far less affluent countries under far more oppressive regimes without a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms and a billion dollar domestic arms industry that flooded their country with more guns than people and a culture of "give me liberty or give me death" have managed it. The right got Jan. 6th and the left got Portland, so resistance is possible on both sides. In any country that took things half as seriously as the US claims to, Washington DC would look like a war zone. But what are we doing? Twerking in front of ICE in frog costumes?
    - int_19h 10mo ago
      > But what are we doing? Twerking in front of ICE in frog costumes? Once again, the people who are broadly approving of violence as a way to solve problems, and who actually have the guns, are largely supportive of what ICE is doing. Many of them are quite literally itching to pull the trigger on some libs. I've been in the middle of that crowd and seen it all close up. Those people are not the potential solution - they are a part of the problem. Countries with oppressive regimes see revolutions if the population gets discontent enough that a strong majority wants it, or is at least willing to go along with it. That is certainly not true of US right now.

mvdtnz 10mo ago

The American people voted for this man in a free and fair election. No subjugation or subversion needed.

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
> American people voted for this man in a free and fair election Americans voted for a man who promised no foreign wars and, in his first term, was relatively peaceful [1]. [1][ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_first_Trump_administration#Timeline_of_notable_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_first_Tr...
MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
This man did not say he was going to bomb anything until after he was voted in, so the American people were - once again - completely duped by their own hubris.
- progval 10mo ago
  > This man did not say he was going to bomb anything until after he was voted in Except Mexico (https://www.vox.com/policy/363146/trump-policy-war-mexico-trade-deportation-border https://www.vox.com/policy/363146/trump-policy-war-mexico-tr...) and Iran (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4898919-trump-iran-smithereens-threats/ https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4898919-trump-iran-smi...).
thrance 10mo ago
The entire media apparatus is owned by oligarchs: from Fox News to Twitter to Meta, now CNN... All are relaying non-stop right-wing propaganda. There can be no real democracy while information is this captive.
acdha 10mo ago
A third of the American people voted for him, based on a campaign which promised a completely different economy than he has delivered (remember when people were pretending Biden had an egg-price level in the Oval Office?) and no foreign wars. It is unreasonable to look at that election and say a plurality voted for this.
UncleMeat 10mo ago
And the american people can get their shit together and hang him for his crimes.
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  Now this I would like to see, but I have serious doubts it will ever happen. I don’t think the American people have the courage to do something about their heinous, out of control government, personally. Happy to be proven wrong, because it would be a legitimate step to world peace on behalf of the American people, but I seriously doubt they are, as a population, capable of it.
  - UncleMeat 10mo ago
    I largely agree with you. Democratic leadership responded to an attempted coup by slow rolling prosecution with the hope that Trump would simply recede from public life and they'd never have to do the hard thing of trying and convicting a former president.
    - MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
      The Democrats have just as much blood on their hands as their Republican counterparts, and that is the problem - the only force capable of dealing with this conundrum is the American people, and they are too busy playing sides to actually confront the reality of their nations heinous war crimes record.

krapp 10mo ago

>Which is why they have been subverted and subjugated and all their will usurped. But America's armed populace and the stalwart vigilance of its militias are supposed to make that impossible. Americans were more up in arms (literal and figurative) over Obamacare and Covid lockdowns than anything Trump has done, domestically or abroad. The only rational conclusion is that they're either complicit or else they simply don't care.

MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
Americans are the most propagandized peoples on the planet. Those bullets can’t stop information, and there is a massive information war going on to keep the American people divided. Those who could effectively field a real protest or uprising are either too busy trying to keep their credit cards from defaulting, or are living on the streets addicted to drugs. General strikes? Forget it, America doesn’t have the infrastructure in place (local food sources) to sustain such a thing…
int_19h 10mo ago
America's armed populace is a relatively small percentage of its citizenry, and predominantly leans right populist, so...
- krapp 10mo ago
  Populations of far less affluent countries under far more oppressive regimes without a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms and a billion dollar domestic arms industry that flooded their country with more guns than people and a culture of "give me liberty or give me death" have managed it. The right got Jan. 6th and the left got Portland, so resistance is possible on both sides. In any country that took things half as seriously as the US claims to, Washington DC would look like a war zone. But what are we doing? Twerking in front of ICE in frog costumes?
  - int_19h 10mo ago
    > But what are we doing? Twerking in front of ICE in frog costumes? Once again, the people who are broadly approving of violence as a way to solve problems, and who actually have the guns, are largely supportive of what ICE is doing. Many of them are quite literally itching to pull the trigger on some libs. I've been in the middle of that crowd and seen it all close up. Those people are not the potential solution - they are a part of the problem. Countries with oppressive regimes see revolutions if the population gets discontent enough that a strong majority wants it, or is at least willing to go along with it. That is certainly not true of US right now.