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Here in middle Europe the rumble is that it is time to BDS the United States. I hear this everywhere, on the streets, at parties, at work. I guess it’s the on

Here in middle Europe the rumble is that it is time to BDS the United States. I hear this everywhere, on the streets, at parties, at work. I guess it’s the only way the American people will get a grip, if the rest of the world starts punishing the US and its allies economically. It’s going to be bumpy if/when it happens, but does anyone see any other way to reign in the warmongers? What say you, Americans? You are, after all, the only effective mechanism by which your own war mongers can be brought to justice. Everything else is doom.

tguvot 10mo ago
you ready to BDS all computers, good chunk of phones and a bunch of other tech ?
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  You ready to hunt for your loved ones under burning piles of rubble? Nobody is going to be buying iPhones during a world war. Yes, Europeans will stop buying American stuff. It has already started to happen.
  - tguvot 10mo ago
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throwaway2026-2 10mo ago
I would say we are not a Democracy and it doesn't matter who we vote for. I think it will take a full on dollar collapse to end it, and I think Washington would sacrifice every one of us to not lose grip on power.
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  Perhaps Venezuela is just a reaction to the action that is already happening, namely a world-wide concerted effort to abandon the petrodollar…
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > Perhaps Venezuela is just a reaction to the action that is already happening, namely a world-wide concerted effort to abandon the petrodollar… The petrodollar hypothesis is obsolete. It has been since America became an oil exporter. The way you're presenting it, it's never been the case. Petrodollars let America finance a massive military. The military gives it power. We aren't sanctioning Venezuela into submission. We're bombing it. Also, oil has been traded in non-dollars for ages. I've personaly done it at a bank trading desk in Connecticut.
    - MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
      What, per your reckoning, is the petrodollar hypothesis? I see it as the world starting to become very unwilling to trade anything at all with the US, and moving to other currencies and finance systems for trade and economic transfer.
      - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
        > What, per your reckoning, is the petrodollar hypothesis? Petrodollar recycling [1] backed by U.S. military might. It was a way, in the 1970s and 80s, for us to secure our oil supplies by e.g. guaranteeing the security of the House of Saud. The point was securing oil. The dollar benefits were a side effect. The dollar is ascendant because we're massive consumers. > I see it as the world starting to become very unwilling to trade anything at all with the US This has nothing to do with the petrodollar! > moving to other currencies and finance systems for trade and economic transfer Sure. Folks talk about this. It has nothing to do with Venezuela. (Again, oil is traded in multiple currencies and has been for at least two decades.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling
        MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
        The dollar is ascendant because the rest of the world is forced to use it for trading purposes, under threat of military incursions or other forms of massive civil undoing, courtesy of the American MIC. And the point is, the American consumer market means less and less to a world that is sick and tired of the suffering the American people bring to it. >two decades Yes, that’s the point, the world is moving off the US Dollar as a global currency, and this is why America needs more endless, endless war, and its why we have endless, endless war. The rest of the world sees this all too clearly now.
unmole 10mo ago
> rumble is that it is time to BDS the United States I doubt Europe’s fondness for self-flagellation goes that far.
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  Maybe its ruling class aren’t into it, but the people are pissed and have definitely had enough of the US’ shit. They’ve also had enough of the EU’s shit too, incidentally.
int_19h 10mo ago
> I guess it’s the only way the American people will get a grip, if the rest of the world starts punishing the US and its allies economically. I doubt that. It's far more likely to backfire into increased support for aggressive right-wing populism of the kind Trump peddles. It also seems doubtful that Europe could really afford that economically at the time when it's already in an open confrontation with Russia and not exactly on friendly terms with China. > does anyone see any other way to reign in the warmongers? What say you, Americans? You are, after all, the only effective mechanism by which your own war mongers can be brought to justice. We do not have an effective mechanism for that. Even if our democracy were truly functional, people have voted for candidates who promised no more wars for >15 years now, and yet here we are. Meaningful reforms that would _perhaps_ enable this require constitutional amendments, which have such a high bar as to be unattainable in this political climate. I don't think the system can recover, but it still has a lot of capacity to do damage as it breaks down.
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  There is a groundswell of activity among the European populations to bring these conflicts to an end. It’s there, but you won’t see it in the nightly news, you have to actually get out there and talk to people. I just completed a tour of Italy, through 9 cities, and everywhere I discussed these issues I found that people are just sick and tired of the US’ (and Israels) bullshit, and they want to start divesting from these nations activities. This may not be visible for a few more months or even years, but I do believe there will be political ramifications on the horizon that might give us a bit of hope. Note, I live in middle Europe, and this is a sentiment shared here as well…
  - int_19h 10mo ago
    Israel is easy to sanction economically speaking. US is a lot harder. And I have no doubt that Europe can pull it off in principle. But can you afford that while also ramping up your defense spending to the levels necessary to stand up to Russia?
    - 10mo ago

tguvot 10mo ago

you ready to BDS all computers, good chunk of phones and a bunch of other tech ?

MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
You ready to hunt for your loved ones under burning piles of rubble? Nobody is going to be buying iPhones during a world war. Yes, Europeans will stop buying American stuff. It has already started to happen.
- tguvot 10mo ago
  [flagged]

throwaway2026-2 10mo ago

I would say we are not a Democracy and it doesn't matter who we vote for. I think it will take a full on dollar collapse to end it, and I think Washington would sacrifice every one of us to not lose grip on power.

MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
Perhaps Venezuela is just a reaction to the action that is already happening, namely a world-wide concerted effort to abandon the petrodollar…
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > Perhaps Venezuela is just a reaction to the action that is already happening, namely a world-wide concerted effort to abandon the petrodollar… The petrodollar hypothesis is obsolete. It has been since America became an oil exporter. The way you're presenting it, it's never been the case. Petrodollars let America finance a massive military. The military gives it power. We aren't sanctioning Venezuela into submission. We're bombing it. Also, oil has been traded in non-dollars for ages. I've personaly done it at a bank trading desk in Connecticut.
  - MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
    What, per your reckoning, is the petrodollar hypothesis? I see it as the world starting to become very unwilling to trade anything at all with the US, and moving to other currencies and finance systems for trade and economic transfer.
    - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
      > What, per your reckoning, is the petrodollar hypothesis? Petrodollar recycling [1] backed by U.S. military might. It was a way, in the 1970s and 80s, for us to secure our oil supplies by e.g. guaranteeing the security of the House of Saud. The point was securing oil. The dollar benefits were a side effect. The dollar is ascendant because we're massive consumers. > I see it as the world starting to become very unwilling to trade anything at all with the US This has nothing to do with the petrodollar! > moving to other currencies and finance systems for trade and economic transfer Sure. Folks talk about this. It has nothing to do with Venezuela. (Again, oil is traded in multiple currencies and has been for at least two decades.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollar_recycling
      - MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
        The dollar is ascendant because the rest of the world is forced to use it for trading purposes, under threat of military incursions or other forms of massive civil undoing, courtesy of the American MIC. And the point is, the American consumer market means less and less to a world that is sick and tired of the suffering the American people bring to it. >two decades Yes, that’s the point, the world is moving off the US Dollar as a global currency, and this is why America needs more endless, endless war, and its why we have endless, endless war. The rest of the world sees this all too clearly now.

unmole 10mo ago

> rumble is that it is time to BDS the United States I doubt Europe’s fondness for self-flagellation goes that far.

MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
Maybe its ruling class aren’t into it, but the people are pissed and have definitely had enough of the US’ shit. They’ve also had enough of the EU’s shit too, incidentally.

int_19h 10mo ago

> I guess it’s the only way the American people will get a grip, if the rest of the world starts punishing the US and its allies economically. I doubt that. It's far more likely to backfire into increased support for aggressive right-wing populism of the kind Trump peddles. It also seems doubtful that Europe could really afford that economically at the time when it's already in an open confrontation with Russia and not exactly on friendly terms with China. > does anyone see any other way to reign in the warmongers? What say you, Americans? You are, after all, the only effective mechanism by which your own war mongers can be brought to justice. We do not have an effective mechanism for that. Even if our democracy were truly functional, people have voted for candidates who promised no more wars for >15 years now, and yet here we are. Meaningful reforms that would _perhaps_ enable this require constitutional amendments, which have such a high bar as to be unattainable in this political climate. I don't think the system can recover, but it still has a lot of capacity to do damage as it breaks down.

MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
There is a groundswell of activity among the European populations to bring these conflicts to an end. It’s there, but you won’t see it in the nightly news, you have to actually get out there and talk to people. I just completed a tour of Italy, through 9 cities, and everywhere I discussed these issues I found that people are just sick and tired of the US’ (and Israels) bullshit, and they want to start divesting from these nations activities. This may not be visible for a few more months or even years, but I do believe there will be political ramifications on the horizon that might give us a bit of hope. Note, I live in middle Europe, and this is a sentiment shared here as well…
- int_19h 10mo ago
  Israel is easy to sanction economically speaking. US is a lot harder. And I have no doubt that Europe can pull it off in principle. But can you afford that while also ramping up your defense spending to the levels necessary to stand up to Russia?
  - 10mo ago