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We won't know for a while but I don't imagine there will be mass civilian graves, abducted children, or the intent to annex the country. This is probably more a
by cosmicgadget 10mo ago
We won't know for a while but I don't imagine there will be mass civilian graves, abducted children, or the intent to annex the country. This is probably more about oil and deposing Maduro.
- StefanBatory 10mo ago"This isn't about conquering Ukraine, it's about coal and removing Nazi Żeleński from power"
- epistasis 10mo agoPutin has always been very clear about conquering Ukraine and eliminating anything Ukrainian, including its statehood. Tons of public writing, won't shut up about his fake history of the region, etc. Putin is as clear about his intentions as Hitler was about his intentions.
- GordonS 10mo agoCould you point to some sources please? Every time I see Putin talk on Ukraine, he clearly expresses the very opposite, so I'd like to see where he's said otherwise.
- mikkupikku 10mo agoI can't honestly claim to have paid attention to the whole interview and followed all of his rambling, but he seemed to express in the Tucker interview that he views Ukraine as traditional/rightful Russian territory. Tucker was trying to lead Putin into the claim that the invasion was prompted by NATO doing NATO things (which is the talking point favored by right-aligned American commenters, who want to somehow blame Obama/Biden foreign policy for the war), but Putin just wanted to talk about shit that happened centuries ago.
- cosmicgadget 10mo agoYeah that interview was accidentally pretty interesting and also boing af.
- relaxing 10mo agoen.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
- GordonS 10mo agoA lot of reading there, thanks!
- cosmicgadget 10mo agoI wasn't paraphrasing Trump but rather speculating about his actual intentions.
- StefanBatory 10mo agoI know, not disagreeing with you on that. I felt though it's important to add that too though.
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- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> We have ethnic cleansing at home We really do not. And if we want to keep it that way, blurring the lines with this term is something we absolutely should not do like this.
- dragonwriter 10mo ago> > We have ethnic cleansing at home > We really do not. And if we want to keep it that way, blurring the lines with this term is something we absolutely should not do like this. We really do, and if we want not to, we need to address it rather than denying it.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> We really do, and if we want not to, we need to address it rather than denying it What are we doing that constitutes the mass expulsion and killing of an ethnic or religious group in America?
- dragonwriter 10mo agoEthnic Cleansing is a policy of rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area. You seem to be using a commonly cited inaccurate definition of genocide instead of the broader term “ethnic cleansing”, but note that even genocide does not require killing as the means, as it is defined (in the 1948 Genocide Convention) as any combination of one or more of seven different acts (one of which is killing members of the group) when undertaken with the specific intent to destroy the given racial, ethnic, national, or religious group.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
- asta123 10mo ago"This is more about oil and deposing Maduro." Scary how overt these 'operations' are these days. 50 years ago governments would try hide stuff like this. Someone said 'lack of shame' is very concerning with governments of today. Wonder if this is a reflection of where we as a humanity are heading.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> 50 years ago governments would try hide stuff like this The Cold War was openly about changing governments.
- rvz 10mo ago> This is probably more about oil and deposing Maduro. Correct.