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I know Hackernews is pretty MAGA and that’s never going to change. But for everyone else: it’s crazy to me they didn’t even bother making up a justification fo

I know Hackernews is pretty MAGA and that’s never going to change. But for everyone else: it’s crazy to me they didn’t even bother making up a justification for this war. Completely evil. We cannot let the institutions that enabled this continue.

redwood 9mo ago
Have you ever spoken to Venezuelan about it?
- bsder 9mo ago
  Yes. And they are pretty uniform in believing that the addition of the US military will in no way improve their situation.
fofoz 9mo ago
Oil, as usual.
peteforde 9mo ago
I don't think that HN leans MAGA, even by a long-shot. There's lots of folks here that I often disagree with, but even the conservative-leaning tend to be far more willing to at least debate than you'll find on most places on the web. Honestly, if you truly perceive a MAGA vibe on here, I would stop to question your own notions of what qualifies as moderate.
- spencerflem 9mo ago
  If you have a “moderate” opinion on this war, I don’t know what to tell you
  - peteforde 9mo ago
    I didn't express anything of the sort that you're implying, and you don't seem interested in replying to what I said. If I'm completely honest, I'm not even sure which war you're specifically referring to; I assure you that I'm against all of them.
    - spencerflem 9mo ago
      Every top comment on this thread supports the invasion or hemms and haws at best: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46473348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46473348 Sorry for assuming you supported the war [in Venezuela] but I’ve yet to see a moderate that’s anything other than a MAGA whos embarrassed by the asthetic.
      - peteforde 9mo ago
        Yeah. I'm a life-long Canadian leftist. I think everyone involved in the Trump cabinet should be tried for war crimes. I also simply do not see even tepid support for this attack in the top comments, to the degree that I seriously wonder if we're looking at the same comments. I do not want to put words in your mouth, but it really seems as though you're ignoring the fact that multiple things can be true at the same time; Maduro is a sack of shit, the US is demonstrating that they have no interest in the post-WW2 order, and many Venezuelans might be quietly or openly thrilled that he's gone. But seriously: this is HN. It's a place where people hope to have intelligent conversations and polite debate. I'm not sure what you actually expect people to say which would satisfy your need to see sufficient outrage. Absolutely nothing about that makes this place slant MAGA. This discussion between us simply wouldn't happen if this place slanted MAGA.
  - allanmacgregor 9mo ago
    You are stuck on "If is not my brand of liberal, then they are MAGA and worse than Hitler" there is nuance in political opinions; people can be conservative and condemn and disagree with this war/administration/president. Western society is turning into this tribalistic bullshit, is very visible in ithe US but to my suprise is now also in full force in Canada.
eviks 9mo ago
But they did, the whole drug nonsense was that justification
unethical_ban 9mo ago
I don't think HN leans MAGA. However, I think there are a nonzero number of people on this site which hold MAGA views, which can feel like too many for a site that respects facts and intellectual richness. As a liberal in a blue gerrymandered district within a red state, I literally can only hope that the pain and destruction and illegal behaviors of this administration impact my friends who voted for Trump, so that their lack of empathy/attention to world events gets adjusted enough to sit out 2026/2028 or ideally to vote otherwise. - edit to be clear: Damage is being done to all of us; my point is not malice or Schaudenfreude but hope that something can open his supporters' eyes. The sheer amount of illegal and quid-pro-quo behavior from the president and the justice department can only be described as a coup against our own Constitution and legislature.
- spencerflem 9mo ago
  Ngl I have a bit of malice towards em

redwood 9mo ago

Have you ever spoken to Venezuelan about it?

bsder 9mo ago
Yes. And they are pretty uniform in believing that the addition of the US military will in no way improve their situation.

fofoz 9mo ago

Oil, as usual.

peteforde 9mo ago

I don't think that HN leans MAGA, even by a long-shot. There's lots of folks here that I often disagree with, but even the conservative-leaning tend to be far more willing to at least debate than you'll find on most places on the web. Honestly, if you truly perceive a MAGA vibe on here, I would stop to question your own notions of what qualifies as moderate.

spencerflem 9mo ago
If you have a “moderate” opinion on this war, I don’t know what to tell you
- peteforde 9mo ago
  I didn't express anything of the sort that you're implying, and you don't seem interested in replying to what I said. If I'm completely honest, I'm not even sure which war you're specifically referring to; I assure you that I'm against all of them.
  - spencerflem 9mo ago
    Every top comment on this thread supports the invasion or hemms and haws at best: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46473348 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46473348 Sorry for assuming you supported the war [in Venezuela] but I’ve yet to see a moderate that’s anything other than a MAGA whos embarrassed by the asthetic.
    - peteforde 9mo ago
      Yeah. I'm a life-long Canadian leftist. I think everyone involved in the Trump cabinet should be tried for war crimes. I also simply do not see even tepid support for this attack in the top comments, to the degree that I seriously wonder if we're looking at the same comments. I do not want to put words in your mouth, but it really seems as though you're ignoring the fact that multiple things can be true at the same time; Maduro is a sack of shit, the US is demonstrating that they have no interest in the post-WW2 order, and many Venezuelans might be quietly or openly thrilled that he's gone. But seriously: this is HN. It's a place where people hope to have intelligent conversations and polite debate. I'm not sure what you actually expect people to say which would satisfy your need to see sufficient outrage. Absolutely nothing about that makes this place slant MAGA. This discussion between us simply wouldn't happen if this place slanted MAGA.
- allanmacgregor 9mo ago
  You are stuck on "If is not my brand of liberal, then they are MAGA and worse than Hitler" there is nuance in political opinions; people can be conservative and condemn and disagree with this war/administration/president. Western society is turning into this tribalistic bullshit, is very visible in ithe US but to my suprise is now also in full force in Canada.

eviks 9mo ago

But they did, the whole drug nonsense was that justification

unethical_ban 9mo ago

I don't think HN leans MAGA. However, I think there are a nonzero number of people on this site which hold MAGA views, which can feel like too many for a site that respects facts and intellectual richness. As a liberal in a blue gerrymandered district within a red state, I literally can only hope that the pain and destruction and illegal behaviors of this administration impact my friends who voted for Trump, so that their lack of empathy/attention to world events gets adjusted enough to sit out 2026/2028 or ideally to vote otherwise. - edit to be clear: Damage is being done to all of us; my point is not malice or Schaudenfreude but hope that something can open his supporters' eyes. The sheer amount of illegal and quid-pro-quo behavior from the president and the justice department can only be described as a coup against our own Constitution and legislature.

spencerflem 9mo ago
Ngl I have a bit of malice towards em