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Politics aside, the fact that now a handful of companies offer competitive cars at similar pricepoints, while there has been a general slump in EV demand doesn'

by torginus 10mo ago

Politics aside, the fact that now a handful of companies offer competitive cars at similar pricepoints, while there has been a general slump in EV demand doesn't help either.

bdangubic 10mo ago
“TSLA is not a car company” :)
- torginus 10mo ago
  I mean they also sell flamethrowers and hopes and dreams :)
abenga 10mo ago
There has been a slump in EV demand in 1 country. Everywhere else, it's growing.
rsynnott 10mo ago
There has not, to be clear, been a slump in EV demand, unless you assume that the US is the only market (it is in fact the smallest of the big three, and the other two are growing).
- torginus 10mo ago
  There has, to be clear. I looked up the actual stats, and sales growth has been slowing, with 2024 numbers being virtually identical to 2023, and in 2025, an actual decline would've happened, if not for a lot of people giving a one-time boost, as people rushed to take advantage of the incentives that were going away.
  - rsynnott 10mo ago
    > I looked up the actual stats, and sales growth has been slowing, with 2024 numbers being virtually identical to 2023 Where are you getting these stats/are you _sure_ they’re not US-only stats? Any actual data I find shows a healthy increase in sales on the order of 25% 2023-2024, maybe 20% 2024-2025. (Eg https://open-ev-charts.org/#electric-sales:quarter https://open-ev-charts.org/#electric-sales:quarter). Possibly you have a really unusual personal definition of the words ‘virtually identical’ and ‘slump’?
    - torginus 10mo ago
      Sorry for the misunderstanding, I looked up US-only stats, as I thought that was the thing being discussed. My parent comment was about US sales, in retrospect, I shouldve made it clear :)
      - rsynnott 10mo ago
        Yeah, the US market is currently slow, but it’s also the smallest of the big three. And it’s a more complicated market; people drive longer distances, and like very big cars or trucks. And has a fairly weak domestic sector; only really three legacy manufacturers. It’ll get there, but it is going to lag Europe and China; it’s just more demanding.

Politics aside, the fact that now a handful of companies offer competitive cars at similar pricepoints, while there has been a general slump in EV demand doesn't help either.

bdangubic 10mo ago

“TSLA is not a car company” :)

torginus 10mo ago
I mean they also sell flamethrowers and hopes and dreams :)

abenga 10mo ago

There has been a slump in EV demand in 1 country. Everywhere else, it's growing.

rsynnott 10mo ago

There has not, to be clear, been a slump in EV demand, unless you assume that the US is the only market (it is in fact the smallest of the big three, and the other two are growing).

torginus 10mo ago
There has, to be clear. I looked up the actual stats, and sales growth has been slowing, with 2024 numbers being virtually identical to 2023, and in 2025, an actual decline would've happened, if not for a lot of people giving a one-time boost, as people rushed to take advantage of the incentives that were going away.
- rsynnott 10mo ago
  > I looked up the actual stats, and sales growth has been slowing, with 2024 numbers being virtually identical to 2023 Where are you getting these stats/are you _sure_ they’re not US-only stats? Any actual data I find shows a healthy increase in sales on the order of 25% 2023-2024, maybe 20% 2024-2025. (Eg https://open-ev-charts.org/#electric-sales:quarter https://open-ev-charts.org/#electric-sales:quarter). Possibly you have a really unusual personal definition of the words ‘virtually identical’ and ‘slump’?
  - torginus 10mo ago
    Sorry for the misunderstanding, I looked up US-only stats, as I thought that was the thing being discussed. My parent comment was about US sales, in retrospect, I shouldve made it clear :)
    - rsynnott 10mo ago
      Yeah, the US market is currently slow, but it’s also the smallest of the big three. And it’s a more complicated market; people drive longer distances, and like very big cars or trucks. And has a fairly weak domestic sector; only really three legacy manufacturers. It’ll get there, but it is going to lag Europe and China; it’s just more demanding.