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> it's been a great car. It's not really that great of a car. I mean it's driving an iPad, basically. Also, they've been plagued with reliability issues eg lim

by jmyeet 10mo ago

> it's been a great car. It's not really that great of a car. I mean it's driving an iPad, basically. Also, they've been plagued with reliability issues eg limiting how much you can adjust your seat because they're so prone to breaking [1]. Also, the Cybertruck is an unmitigated disaster in practically every way. > EVs are very much a luxury item In the US, this is kinda true but largely due to trade barriers. Things would be very different if we could buy BYD cars. Charging is part of the problem too combined with how much Americans drive. But Americans partly drive so much because there's practically zero robust public transit infrastructure that forces people to drive, we build houses really spread out and a common charging network isn't a state priority like it is in China. > very slow to adopt NACS So, Tesla's Supercharger network was the only moat Tesla had for their cars. Even now, I believe Tesla charges third-party users significantly more [2]. > An EV can last significantly longer than ICE vehicles I see what you're saying but battery degradation is a serious problem over time, such that EV depreciation is super high. Also, some ICE vehicles are super reliable and some of those are weirdly banned in the US. I'm thinking specifically of the Toyota Hilux. Japanese cars in general were banned (after lobbying from the auto industry) because of their extreme reliability and low price. > I have absolutely zero interest in lease deals Each to their own but IMHO leasing is the smartest way to currently "own" an EV, given the depreciation. [1]: https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-now-monitors-how-often-you-adjust-your-seat-position-and-will-disable-controls-for-chronic-abusers/ https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/tesla-now-monitors-how-ofte... [2]: https://insideevs.com/news/710822/tesla-supercharger-cost-ford-evs/ https://insideevs.com/news/710822/tesla-supercharger-cost-fo...

apublicfrog 10mo ago
> It's not really that great of a car. I mean it's driving an iPad, basically. Also, they've been plagued with reliability issues eg limiting how much you can adjust your seat because they're so prone to breaking [1]. Do you own one? I've had one for 6 years and I've never had issues with it, it's the best car I've ever owned. I've driven lots of other EVs, and none are close. > Things would be very different if we could buy BYD cars. We've had BYDs and other EVs for many years in Australia, and EVs are still a luxury item. > Each to their own but IMHO leasing is the smartest way to currently "own" an EV, given the depreciation. I've never understood Americans and leasing. Aside from specific styles of novated/chattel leases (where there is a tax benefit), leasing a car seems to almost always be a worse deal.
- jmyeet 10mo ago
  > We've had BYDs and other EVs for many years in Australia, and EVs are still a luxury item. Australia is much closer to the US than China in terms of public transit and EV infrastructure. In China, now the majority of new car sales are EVs. There are chargers everywhere and much of the time you don't need to drive because any decently sized city has robust and cheap public transit. Australia isn't as car-dependent as the US but it's honestly not that far off. Perth, for example, is akin to Los Angeles in car dependence as well as cars owned per capita. > I've never understood Americans and leasing. It's complicated. It's not strictly better but it's not strictly worse either. It depends on if you want or need to drive a relatively new car vs holding on to a car until it falls apart. Some will talk down leasing because new cars depreciate the most in the first 2-3 years, which is true. But leasing gives you the option of just handing it back or paying the balloon payment if the car hasn't depreciated as much as predicted (and priced in). This happened in the pandemic when car prices skyrocketed and, for example, used trucks were selling for at or above the MSRP of a new car for the same model because you simply couldn't buy the new one (at or below MSRP).
  - apublicfrog 10mo ago
    > There are chargers everywhere and much of the time you don't need to drive because any decently sized city has robust and cheap public transit. It's definitely not the density of major Chinese cities, but all major cities in Australia have plenty of EV chargwrs and public transport. > Australia isn't as car-dependent as the US but it's honestly not that far off. Perth, for example, is akin to Los Angeles in car dependence as well as cars owned per capita. You've picked the most isolated city in the world as your example, with a heavy lean to FIFO workers and disposable income. But even going with it, Perth has high public transport usage [1] and has halved its costs for patrons in the last year [2]. This was an election promise and important to people. I'm sorry, but I think you're pulling things out of the air here, what you're saying simply isn't accurate. 1. https://www.pta.wa.gov.au/news/media-statements/public-transport-patronage-surges-to-near-record-levels https://www.pta.wa.gov.au/news/media-statements/public-trans... 2. https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook%20Labor%20Government/Wheels-in-motion-on-major-cost-of-living-election-commitment--20250619 https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook%20Lab...
CrimsonRain 10mo ago
[1] You say it like it is a bad thing? Next you will say car manufacturers are monitoring engine temperature... 120 sec of usage in 300 sec is plenty. If they did 599 sec in 600 sec, you'll still complain because you are here to complain; you are not a user. Car letting me know I'm stressing the motor is a good thing.

by jmyeet 10mo ago

apublicfrog 10mo ago

> It's not really that great of a car. I mean it's driving an iPad, basically. Also, they've been plagued with reliability issues eg limiting how much you can adjust your seat because they're so prone to breaking [1]. Do you own one? I've had one for 6 years and I've never had issues with it, it's the best car I've ever owned. I've driven lots of other EVs, and none are close. > Things would be very different if we could buy BYD cars. We've had BYDs and other EVs for many years in Australia, and EVs are still a luxury item. > Each to their own but IMHO leasing is the smartest way to currently "own" an EV, given the depreciation. I've never understood Americans and leasing. Aside from specific styles of novated/chattel leases (where there is a tax benefit), leasing a car seems to almost always be a worse deal.

jmyeet 10mo ago
> We've had BYDs and other EVs for many years in Australia, and EVs are still a luxury item. Australia is much closer to the US than China in terms of public transit and EV infrastructure. In China, now the majority of new car sales are EVs. There are chargers everywhere and much of the time you don't need to drive because any decently sized city has robust and cheap public transit. Australia isn't as car-dependent as the US but it's honestly not that far off. Perth, for example, is akin to Los Angeles in car dependence as well as cars owned per capita. > I've never understood Americans and leasing. It's complicated. It's not strictly better but it's not strictly worse either. It depends on if you want or need to drive a relatively new car vs holding on to a car until it falls apart. Some will talk down leasing because new cars depreciate the most in the first 2-3 years, which is true. But leasing gives you the option of just handing it back or paying the balloon payment if the car hasn't depreciated as much as predicted (and priced in). This happened in the pandemic when car prices skyrocketed and, for example, used trucks were selling for at or above the MSRP of a new car for the same model because you simply couldn't buy the new one (at or below MSRP).
- apublicfrog 10mo ago
  > There are chargers everywhere and much of the time you don't need to drive because any decently sized city has robust and cheap public transit. It's definitely not the density of major Chinese cities, but all major cities in Australia have plenty of EV chargwrs and public transport. > Australia isn't as car-dependent as the US but it's honestly not that far off. Perth, for example, is akin to Los Angeles in car dependence as well as cars owned per capita. You've picked the most isolated city in the world as your example, with a heavy lean to FIFO workers and disposable income. But even going with it, Perth has high public transport usage [1] and has halved its costs for patrons in the last year [2]. This was an election promise and important to people. I'm sorry, but I think you're pulling things out of the air here, what you're saying simply isn't accurate. 1. https://www.pta.wa.gov.au/news/media-statements/public-transport-patronage-surges-to-near-record-levels https://www.pta.wa.gov.au/news/media-statements/public-trans... 2. https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook%20Labor%20Government/Wheels-in-motion-on-major-cost-of-living-election-commitment--20250619 https://www.wa.gov.au/government/media-statements/Cook%20Lab...

CrimsonRain 10mo ago

[1] You say it like it is a bad thing? Next you will say car manufacturers are monitoring engine temperature... 120 sec of usage in 300 sec is plenty. If they did 599 sec in 600 sec, you'll still complain because you are here to complain; you are not a user. Car letting me know I'm stressing the motor is a good thing.