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Everyone - not just America - hates AI, because it has now become clear that the tool isn't a way to empower the masses (as it was initially sold) but instead t

by paxys 10mo ago

Everyone - not just America - hates AI, because it has now become clear that the tool isn't a way to empower the masses (as it was initially sold) but instead to move power and wealth up the ladder. Automated (shit) customer support. AI interviewing. Brainrot content creation. Deepfakes. Parasocial relationships. Dangerous medical advice/therapy. Propaganda. Surveillance. AI is simply not making anyone's life better, so what's there to love exactly?

avemuri 10mo ago
Asia doesn't hate AI. It may be true that AI is unpopular in the west more generally though, not just America.
potato3732842 10mo ago
I do really wonder how it's going to shake out. I fully expect AI can and will be used to hurt the masses in those ways. But on the other hand the masses may very well be made substantially wealthier by AI cutting through all the arcane memorization and beurocratic bullshit that society has levied upon them to keep them down over the past 100yr. Why do I need a $$$$ dentist to assess my X-rays. Why not a $$ hygienist assisted by AI and checked by the dentist in the odd cases? Now multiply that sort of labor reshuffling by every sector of the economy.
- krapp 10mo ago
  >all the arcane memorization and beurocratic bullshit that society has levied upon them to keep them down over the past 100yr. You mean "learning things?" We're really trying to reframe knowledge and skill as a form of oppression now?
  - mingus88 10mo ago
    Yeah it’s funny to see the spin on this. When America was “great”, a middle income person could have a very comfortable life and retire on a pension by playing by the rules and spending their days in a corporate bureaucracy. Those days are gone, never to return, and the rules are being rewritten to exclude the middle.
  - potato3732842 10mo ago
    >You mean "learning things?" Amazing how things that are often largely rackets or intentional bureaucratic barriers can be framed as "learning" and people like you will go to bad for them. It's not the learning that's the oppression. It's the going through the motions clerical bullshit that makes all sorts of value producing things not worth doing. I want a garage with a taller than 9ft wall. But I can't have one because that requires engineered drawings that cost enough to be a non-starter because of the bullshit motions that must be gone through. So what do I do, I build a 9ft wall and I put trusses on top that give me more headroom. Everyone is worse off. Me, the concrete people, the engineer who didn't get my business, the enforcer bureaucrat who has less work to justify their job, the truss people who sell me cheaper trusses because I don't need a 2nd floor now. You see how replacing the clerical labor the engineering firm would task with such a project with $20 of API calls would benefit literally everyone involved here? AI is seemingly poised to make repetitive paper pushing administrative bullshit and access to clerical work outputs cheaper and more accessible. This benefits us all in the same way that cheaper access to computation benefitted wide swaths of the economy when computers became dominant or cheaper access to communications benefitted everyone when the internet became commonly used or way a reduction in energy prices is felt across the entire economy. The only real "losers" here (assuming it doesn't happen lightening fast) are those who's only work output is such clerical tasks because instead of a force multiplier for them it's a replacement.
    - krapp 10mo ago
      Plenty of people do frame the effort of needing to learn a skill as a form of oppression that they claim AI liberates people from. They say things like "AI is finally democratizing $SKILL" or "AI is taking $SKILL" away from the gatekeepers, when in reality, these things have never been more democratized and there are few if any gatekeepers involved. You seem to be on some kind of tilt about having to deal with local building codes about raising your garage ceiling, which is an entirely different thing. Many people are able to deal with that just fine. Maybe AI would make dealing with local bureaucracy easier, maybe it wouldn't? You're probably still going to need to fill out a form to raise your garage ceiling or whatever.
      - 10mo ago
GaryBluto 10mo ago
Every negative outcome of the existence of various generative AIs that you listed already existed beforehand and with the exception of "Brainrot content creation" probably won't even exacerbate the problem.
- jayd16 10mo ago
  AI eliminates the chance someone in the system could accidentally take pride in what they do.
  - krapp 10mo ago
    Unfortunately it doesn't. A lot of people using AI are proud to the point of being obnoxious about it. It isn't simply a tool, it's a part of their identity.
- RiverCrochet 10mo ago
  Therefore, why support/like something that will do only the same but faster?
kachapopopow 10mo ago
AI is lifechanging for me when it comes to programming, it made something that I've been doing for more than a decade now exciting again. But I do accept that it's very bad for everyone involved since the end goal is to make humans seem like an inefficiency. But again, we pretty much acomplished all the major goals of evolution - now we're pretty much just weaponizing it for enjoyment, pleasure and entertainment to keep ourselves from being bored. As for the rest of us where it just seems like the natural continuation to tickle the curiosity on our brains as depressing, dystopian and heartbreaking as it sounds we are currently heading towards accomplishing the final innovation we will produce as a human race: create something superior to our biological lifeforms. Maybe uploading ourselves into a super computer isn't as sci-fi as we thought since it seems living as a normal human will become extremely difficult.

by paxys 10mo ago

avemuri 10mo ago

Asia doesn't hate AI. It may be true that AI is unpopular in the west more generally though, not just America.

potato3732842 10mo ago

I do really wonder how it's going to shake out. I fully expect AI can and will be used to hurt the masses in those ways. But on the other hand the masses may very well be made substantially wealthier by AI cutting through all the arcane memorization and beurocratic bullshit that society has levied upon them to keep them down over the past 100yr. Why do I need a $$$$ dentist to assess my X-rays. Why not a $$ hygienist assisted by AI and checked by the dentist in the odd cases? Now multiply that sort of labor reshuffling by every sector of the economy.

krapp 10mo ago
>all the arcane memorization and beurocratic bullshit that society has levied upon them to keep them down over the past 100yr. You mean "learning things?" We're really trying to reframe knowledge and skill as a form of oppression now?
- mingus88 10mo ago
  Yeah it’s funny to see the spin on this. When America was “great”, a middle income person could have a very comfortable life and retire on a pension by playing by the rules and spending their days in a corporate bureaucracy. Those days are gone, never to return, and the rules are being rewritten to exclude the middle.
- potato3732842 10mo ago
  >You mean "learning things?" Amazing how things that are often largely rackets or intentional bureaucratic barriers can be framed as "learning" and people like you will go to bad for them. It's not the learning that's the oppression. It's the going through the motions clerical bullshit that makes all sorts of value producing things not worth doing. I want a garage with a taller than 9ft wall. But I can't have one because that requires engineered drawings that cost enough to be a non-starter because of the bullshit motions that must be gone through. So what do I do, I build a 9ft wall and I put trusses on top that give me more headroom. Everyone is worse off. Me, the concrete people, the engineer who didn't get my business, the enforcer bureaucrat who has less work to justify their job, the truss people who sell me cheaper trusses because I don't need a 2nd floor now. You see how replacing the clerical labor the engineering firm would task with such a project with $20 of API calls would benefit literally everyone involved here? AI is seemingly poised to make repetitive paper pushing administrative bullshit and access to clerical work outputs cheaper and more accessible. This benefits us all in the same way that cheaper access to computation benefitted wide swaths of the economy when computers became dominant or cheaper access to communications benefitted everyone when the internet became commonly used or way a reduction in energy prices is felt across the entire economy. The only real "losers" here (assuming it doesn't happen lightening fast) are those who's only work output is such clerical tasks because instead of a force multiplier for them it's a replacement.
  - krapp 10mo ago
    Plenty of people do frame the effort of needing to learn a skill as a form of oppression that they claim AI liberates people from. They say things like "AI is finally democratizing $SKILL" or "AI is taking $SKILL" away from the gatekeepers, when in reality, these things have never been more democratized and there are few if any gatekeepers involved. You seem to be on some kind of tilt about having to deal with local building codes about raising your garage ceiling, which is an entirely different thing. Many people are able to deal with that just fine. Maybe AI would make dealing with local bureaucracy easier, maybe it wouldn't? You're probably still going to need to fill out a form to raise your garage ceiling or whatever.
    - 10mo ago

GaryBluto 10mo ago

Every negative outcome of the existence of various generative AIs that you listed already existed beforehand and with the exception of "Brainrot content creation" probably won't even exacerbate the problem.

jayd16 10mo ago
AI eliminates the chance someone in the system could accidentally take pride in what they do.
- krapp 10mo ago
  Unfortunately it doesn't. A lot of people using AI are proud to the point of being obnoxious about it. It isn't simply a tool, it's a part of their identity.
RiverCrochet 10mo ago
Therefore, why support/like something that will do only the same but faster?

kachapopopow 10mo ago

AI is lifechanging for me when it comes to programming, it made something that I've been doing for more than a decade now exciting again. But I do accept that it's very bad for everyone involved since the end goal is to make humans seem like an inefficiency. But again, we pretty much acomplished all the major goals of evolution - now we're pretty much just weaponizing it for enjoyment, pleasure and entertainment to keep ourselves from being bored. As for the rest of us where it just seems like the natural continuation to tickle the curiosity on our brains as depressing, dystopian and heartbreaking as it sounds we are currently heading towards accomplishing the final innovation we will produce as a human race: create something superior to our biological lifeforms. Maybe uploading ourselves into a super computer isn't as sci-fi as we thought since it seems living as a normal human will become extremely difficult.