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I'm fortunate to still be in a role, but I've always kept an eye out for other opportunities, and it looks very rough out there in the UK job market. I don't k

by xnorswap 10mo ago

I'm fortunate to still be in a role, but I've always kept an eye out for other opportunities, and it looks very rough out there in the UK job market. I don't know if companies are just in a "wait and see" stance to see the effect of AI coding agents, or if it's the sign of a wider slowdown. 100% remote is also a tough ask. I've noticed increasingly job roles are listed as 2-3 days in the office as companies awkwardly transition back to the office.

mariogintili 10mo ago
The UK market is doing poorly but I changed to a commute where 3 days a week is unrealistic. I can be onsite once a month :)
- throw-the-towel 10mo ago
  I'm sorry if I'm being too blunt, but it looks like you just cannot afford that location any more. It could really be wise to consider moving.
  - mariogintili 10mo ago
    your comment honors your handle, That being said, this is about unemployment not affordability. I can afford where I am, if I had a job
    - 9rx 10mo ago
      If you can afford it, carry on! But your other comments suggest otherwise. Hypothetically being able to afford something if things were hypothetically different is not an indicator of what is affordable in reality.
      - mariogintili 10mo ago
        > Hypothetically being able to afford something if things were hypothetically different is not an indicator of what is affordable in reality. unemployment is an extraordinary circumstance for me. Extraordinary circumstances affect affordability in an extraordinary way. even with employment far below my usual pay I can afford where I am.
        9rx 10mo ago
        I admittedly missed that you found a job. Congratulations!
condensedcrab 10mo ago
I’d try applying to in office roles too - I suspect that most places have a soft hiring freeze regardless of work status. At least, that way you know it’s not the remote work portion that’s keeping you from a job. I’m in the US and everyone I’ve talked to who wants to move have been discussing the challenges of getting a foot in the door anywhere.
- mariogintili 10mo ago
  My commute is not in a realistic location for commutes. > I’m in the US and everyone I’ve talked to who wants to move have been discussing the challenges of getting a foot in the door anywhere. Really? I thought the US was doing extremely well
  - apothegm 10mo ago
    The massive rounds of layoffs in the US over the past 3 years mean there are a ridiculous number of software engineers looking for jobs. AI has compounded this by automating applications such that a single opening might get multiple thousands of submissions. Your best bet to find a job in this market is to have some connection to the hiring manager. It might be a friend of a friend of a former colleague. Or both having membership in the same semi-open community. But you need a way to say “hey, I’m a real human being and especially interested in this job; please at least take a look at my resume!”
    - mariogintili 10mo ago
      yes, so when I see an opening I try to message the key people around the role first, not just fill out a form. Any other approaches are well welcomed
      - apothegm 10mo ago
        The other thing I had to realize before I could get an offer in this market is that there are so many overqualified candidates it’s almost impossible to get a stretch role and very difficult to get one at the same level you were last working at. If you just need an income for now, consider looking for something you’re significantly overqualified for but that gives you exposure to something new in a different dimension (new industry, for instance). Then once you’ve got that job and have restored your savings, you can look for something with more growth while still employed. Maybe some day the market will even bounce back, tho I wouldn’t count on it.
jcpst 10mo ago
> 100% remote is also a tough ask. I've noticed increasingly job roles are listed as 2-3 days in the office as companies awkwardly transition back to the office. Keep in mind that at some places this is general policy, and that tech is given an exception. For example, my company has 2-3 days in-office, but everyone in tech is allowed to be 100% remote, even though that’s not written anywhere.
sarlalian 10mo ago
This will be a U.S. centered response, because that’s where I live and work. We’ve tried hiring for local and remote roles. It’s a terrible experience all around, both on the hiring and being hired side of the equation. The company I work for is a medium sized business, in residential and commercial construction. For example, a recent react native mobile dev position my company posted had about 300 applications in the first hour, with about 500 total in the first week on indeed. Of those applications, 90% didn’t have most of any of the requirements for the position. The job description says that we don’t sponsor H1B visa’s (because it’s stupidly expensive now). Of the 10% that somewhat met the minimum qualifications, all but 1 required sponsorship. This was listed as a hybrid role, only 20 people applied from the region where the office is. We already know from previous roles that a huge percentage of people with resume’s that say they have the required skills, actually won’t come close to making it through the interview process. While as a company we like AI/ML tools, and encourage our staff to learn them, and use them where appropriate, we want to invest in everyone’s skills with new tools. We try not to use AI where a human connection is important (hiring, sales, etc). We’ve had to resort to AI for dealing with the massive influx of low quality job applications and it sucks. Basically anyone who goes above and beyond at this point automatically get’s at least an interview. I do understand why so many people are just applying to every job that shows up, it makes sense. But it really does make the prospect of finding those few great people very difficult. We aren’t a ruby/rails shop otherwise I’d reach out to OP.
- ggenova79 10mo ago
  I'm curious where your company is located. I am a native mobile developer, but have experience with Flutter and React Native applications. I don't require any sponsorship and am willing to relocate for the right role. If your company is still looking please reply here or my email ggenova79@gmail.com. Thank you

mariogintili 10mo ago

The UK market is doing poorly but I changed to a commute where 3 days a week is unrealistic. I can be onsite once a month :)

throw-the-towel 10mo ago
I'm sorry if I'm being too blunt, but it looks like you just cannot afford that location any more. It could really be wise to consider moving.
- mariogintili 10mo ago
  your comment honors your handle, That being said, this is about unemployment not affordability. I can afford where I am, if I had a job
  - 9rx 10mo ago
    If you can afford it, carry on! But your other comments suggest otherwise. Hypothetically being able to afford something if things were hypothetically different is not an indicator of what is affordable in reality.
    - mariogintili 10mo ago
      > Hypothetically being able to afford something if things were hypothetically different is not an indicator of what is affordable in reality. unemployment is an extraordinary circumstance for me. Extraordinary circumstances affect affordability in an extraordinary way. even with employment far below my usual pay I can afford where I am.
      - 9rx 10mo ago
        I admittedly missed that you found a job. Congratulations!

condensedcrab 10mo ago

I’d try applying to in office roles too - I suspect that most places have a soft hiring freeze regardless of work status. At least, that way you know it’s not the remote work portion that’s keeping you from a job. I’m in the US and everyone I’ve talked to who wants to move have been discussing the challenges of getting a foot in the door anywhere.

mariogintili 10mo ago
My commute is not in a realistic location for commutes. > I’m in the US and everyone I’ve talked to who wants to move have been discussing the challenges of getting a foot in the door anywhere. Really? I thought the US was doing extremely well
- apothegm 10mo ago
  The massive rounds of layoffs in the US over the past 3 years mean there are a ridiculous number of software engineers looking for jobs. AI has compounded this by automating applications such that a single opening might get multiple thousands of submissions. Your best bet to find a job in this market is to have some connection to the hiring manager. It might be a friend of a friend of a former colleague. Or both having membership in the same semi-open community. But you need a way to say “hey, I’m a real human being and especially interested in this job; please at least take a look at my resume!”
  - mariogintili 10mo ago
    yes, so when I see an opening I try to message the key people around the role first, not just fill out a form. Any other approaches are well welcomed
    - apothegm 10mo ago
      The other thing I had to realize before I could get an offer in this market is that there are so many overqualified candidates it’s almost impossible to get a stretch role and very difficult to get one at the same level you were last working at. If you just need an income for now, consider looking for something you’re significantly overqualified for but that gives you exposure to something new in a different dimension (new industry, for instance). Then once you’ve got that job and have restored your savings, you can look for something with more growth while still employed. Maybe some day the market will even bounce back, tho I wouldn’t count on it.

jcpst 10mo ago

> 100% remote is also a tough ask. I've noticed increasingly job roles are listed as 2-3 days in the office as companies awkwardly transition back to the office. Keep in mind that at some places this is general policy, and that tech is given an exception. For example, my company has 2-3 days in-office, but everyone in tech is allowed to be 100% remote, even though that’s not written anywhere.

sarlalian 10mo ago

This will be a U.S. centered response, because that’s where I live and work. We’ve tried hiring for local and remote roles. It’s a terrible experience all around, both on the hiring and being hired side of the equation. The company I work for is a medium sized business, in residential and commercial construction. For example, a recent react native mobile dev position my company posted had about 300 applications in the first hour, with about 500 total in the first week on indeed. Of those applications, 90% didn’t have most of any of the requirements for the position. The job description says that we don’t sponsor H1B visa’s (because it’s stupidly expensive now). Of the 10% that somewhat met the minimum qualifications, all but 1 required sponsorship. This was listed as a hybrid role, only 20 people applied from the region where the office is. We already know from previous roles that a huge percentage of people with resume’s that say they have the required skills, actually won’t come close to making it through the interview process. While as a company we like AI/ML tools, and encourage our staff to learn them, and use them where appropriate, we want to invest in everyone’s skills with new tools. We try not to use AI where a human connection is important (hiring, sales, etc). We’ve had to resort to AI for dealing with the massive influx of low quality job applications and it sucks. Basically anyone who goes above and beyond at this point automatically get’s at least an interview. I do understand why so many people are just applying to every job that shows up, it makes sense. But it really does make the prospect of finding those few great people very difficult. We aren’t a ruby/rails shop otherwise I’d reach out to OP.

ggenova79 10mo ago
I'm curious where your company is located. I am a native mobile developer, but have experience with Flutter and React Native applications. I don't require any sponsorship and am willing to relocate for the right role. If your company is still looking please reply here or my email ggenova79@gmail.com. Thank you