6 ms·
A confession from a mainstream food delivery app engineer
- chmod775 10mo ago> First off, the "Priority Delivery" is a total scam. It was pitched to us as a "psychological value add." Like I said in the title, when you pay that extra $2.99, it changes a boolean flag in the order JSON, but the dispatch logic literally ignores it. It does nothing to speed you up. It isn't at least for Wolt, which sells it as "delivery direct to you from the restaurant", rather than the delivery driver also doing other deliveries in parallel. This is quite easy to confirm given the realtime tracking of driver (and your food not being cold because they stopped at another restaurant on the way and had to wait 20 minutes).
- heroprotagonist 10mo agoYeah, that seems utterly made up. I live in an urbanish area, and if i don't set Priority Delivery then there's probably a 2 in 3 chance I'm stuck in a queue with "waiting on other delivery to complete". About the only way to get my food while it's still warm enough to eat (because few of these drivers use heat bags) is to set priority delivery. And when I do, I can track it straight from store to my place. No 'waiting on other delivery' messages, not even blips of disconnectedness while the driver fulfills orders from other apps. Just straight to me. This fee, I find, works better than tipping. Which is sad because in my imagination, I suspect the platform is keeping the fee rather than the driver. Incentives are completely messed up for gig deliveries.
- Nextgrid 10mo agoBoth can be true - in periods of high contention the priority delivery works as you'd expect, but in periods of low contention (where orders are not bundled anyway) the priority delivery option is still there, still costs the same, but doesn't do anything.
- alx_the_new_guy 10mo agoIf you care about your food being warm enough to eat, why not just pick it up yourself? I got a glimpse of this "delivery economy" myself last week, so Self pick-up was: >2x faster (20min vs ~40min estimate, probably more in the end), could be better if I actually knew the area and picked a better parking spot >1/3 cheaper (total dropped from 30$ to 20$. I'm not from the US, and make roughly 6$/hr, so the sum is more significant than it seems) >food was probably generally more fresh, but I don't eat sushi much, so can't tell the difference >also, food was probably less banged up, because I'm not on the clock and don't drive like a madman some counterpoints: > we were already driving home from somewhere, the place was the opposite way though > we live in a dense city, but not too dense, so owning a car and driving it around is possible even on a not so large income, but everything is pretty close Generally, my family never stopped doing things "the old way", we barely use any delivery services, taxi, and everything the gig economy is involved in. Likely saves us good amount of money in subtle ways. Also, specifically not giving money to those platfoms is a minor benifit in my book. I get there are people who are disabled, busy (parents with small children, ...), and so on, but it seems to me that for most people the barrier is psychological, and is about task/mode switching more than actual time and effort.
- deleted 10mo ago[deleted]
- xboxnolifes 10mo agoAll of these are trade offs people who get food delivered are aware of, its not new information. The only one I disagree with is the "2x faster". Yes, the time from when you start thinking about food to eating food might be halved, but food delivery is basically zero time. I dont need to do the getting the food portion. So, 0 minutes vs 20 minutes.
- AndrewDucker 10mo agoI live a 20 minute bus trip away from the nearest takeaway. And like 55% of the people who live in Edinburgh I don't have a car. So delivery is totally worthwhile to me. (And I appreciate that it's worth paying for prompt delivery. I am baffled that enough people are happy with cold food that it's not the standard.)
- eleventen 10mo agoProbably spam. Author spread it across a lot of subreddits. https://www.reddit.com/user/Trowaway_whistleblow/submitted/ https://www.reddit.com/user/Trowaway_whistleblow/submitted/ It was removed from all but one, so no mods of any community were able to verify identity (stuck in automod queue for some).
- c420 10mo agoAnd why use a libraries public WiFi on a burner laptop when giving so much specific information that basically doxx's yourself
- culi 10mo agowell the post did say they were drunk and agree and "hopes they sue [them]" which would explain things not being well though-out
- sublinear 10mo ago> I’m a backend engineer. I sit in the weekly sprint planning meetings where Product Managers (PMs) discuss how to squeeze another 0.4% margin out of "human assets"... This is what made it feel fake to me. Even the most naive startups don't discuss these kinds of details with the dev team (or sometimes even the senior management) because it's not relevant to getting the work done. This alleged business is likely much larger and naturally siloed. Intent is not a success criteria, and things are always subject to change so why bake it into the code? Sounds like a terrible idea. What would make way more sense is asking the dev team to expose configuration and stats. Dashboards are not suspicious because they are genuinely useful to the entire business, not just some evil inner group trying to squeeze a few percent.
- baaron 10mo agoI have had PMs and POs spend hours with the dev team spilling all the tea because they think it will help the devs better craft their vision. This particular aspect is very plausible to me.
- rationalist 10mo agoThis is a duplicate of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46461563 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46461563 Also, why did the URL not change to old.reddit?
- forthwall 10mo agoUnfortunately this is the end state for many gig for hire apps, uber, tasktabbit etc, I think food delivery is probably the worst because the customer does not interact with the contractor at all, compared to other apps, so you can’t even hear if the driver is getting ripped off on their end. The tip stealing thing felt very similar to one thing I noticed last night during NYE was certain friends who used uber more had to pay higher for the same rides as me who never uses the app. There’s so much data singling both drivers and consumers out to maximize returns, it’s crazy
- Spooky23 10mo agoUber charges more when you use gift cards. All of these companies are scum and need a heavy regulatory slap down.
- Nextgrid 10mo ago> certain friends who used uber more had to pay higher for the same rides That's why you always pit the techbros against each other and have at least 2 competing apps that you distribute your rides across.
- tracerbulletx 10mo agoPriority delivery has nothing to do with "speeding you up" on Uber Eats. It means you won't get bundled with another order and come second. So far I have never gotten that when I used it, and I did when I didn't. So that rings false. Also his other complaints are literally just every business in the world and how they act. As long as I value the service they give more than the total end money they take out of my account I can pay attention to the fees for myself. I know they aren't my friend.
- xnx 10mo agoDupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46461563 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46461563
- eviks 10mo ago> I’m posting this from a library Wi-Fi on a burner laptop because I am technically under a massive NDA. I don’t care anymore. If you didn't care, you'd post the names
- DharmaPolice 10mo agoWhile I'm happy to believe any/all of that might be true, accepting unsubstantiated stories like this isn't a great idea. You really need to start with the assumption that all stories like this are fake until some kind of evidence is provided. If I was going to do some kind of exposé of my employers I'd at least include some semi-obfuscated screenshots to add some credibility to any claims I might make. Sure, things like that can be faked but it at least would require more effort to do all that (and make them appear credible) vs just a bunch of raw claims. (I also don't think it's a great idea to judge claims based on how believable you personally find them. That often just leads to confirmation bias as you're just reinforcing your own biases).
- deleted 10mo ago[deleted]
- sa-code 10mo agoTakeaways: Always tip in cash and never through the app Don’t use priority delivery
- culi 10mo agoanother takeaway is to just not trust these unregulated gig economy apps
- shomp 10mo agoVenture Capital subsidized gig economy apps until the dinosaurs of the previous economy (taxis, delivery services if any existed?) went extinct. So what now? Wait for regulation to catch up in an opaque at-will-employment industry with no unions?
- sa-code 10mo agoI wish that were convenient They do offer more utility and convenience than the previous generation of services, which is why they’ve gained market share. Increasing accountability on the current big players is better
- Aeglaecia 10mo agoits an awful coincidence that this sounds exactly like what id imagine the output of chat gpt to be after prompting to write creatively about the topic at hand
- weinzierl 10mo ago"I’m posting this from a library Wi-Fi on a burner laptop because I am technically under a massive NDA. I don’t care anymore. I put in my two weeks yesterday and honestly, [..]" The first paragraph already triggers all the red flags that the story is made up.
- shomp 10mo agoMaybe read more than just the first paragraph :]
- weinzierl 10mo agoI did. Didn't raise my confidence in the story. "Burner laptop", really? Then "I put in my two weeks yesterday". Why put in the effort for a burner laptop and then dox yourself in the next sentence? Nah, I wouldn’t be surprised if the companies pocket the tips, but this story smells.
- Marsymars 10mo agoThat immediately stuck out to me as well, but if the gist of the post were true, a plausible assumption is that "I put in my two weeks yesterday" is simply a lie to throw off identification.
- shomp 10mo agoIs unionizing in the Gig economy possible?
- deleted 10mo ago[deleted]
- mrdevlar 10mo agoThis is why I give cash to delivery drivers. No I will not tip in app, that is obviously a scam.
- cadamsdotcom 10mo agoSaying “we call them human assets in the database” is a dead giveaway the author is lying. No sensible food delivery company would do such a thing - it’s a scandal waiting to happen - so the maximum number of companies that would ever do such a thing is either zero or one. Therefore claiming they’re called “human assets” in the database would instantly uniquely identify the company and the company could then correlate with recent resignations and sue the crap out of this individual for violation of the NDA that they are making very clear they’re aware of and are knowingly violating. Any sensible engineer would know all of this and would not divulge such a conspicuously specific tidbit. No matter how drunk they are. Therefore, nothing else this person says is credible. Therefore I call bullshit on the whole thing.
- heywoods 10mo agoThere’s a tendency to treat the recent Uber revelations as uniquely egregious, but this framing misses the more important point: the egregiousness is not new, only the vector has changed. Consider the nomenclature. Even during the Kalanick era, when “move fast and break things” was operational doctrine, you would not have seen internal naming this careless. I was there. We called drivers “supply” and riders “demand.” Clinical, yes, but accurate and apolitical. The language reflected the business model without editorializing about the humans within it. What’s worth examining is not whether Uber engaged in questionable practices. Of course they did, and of course they still do. The real question is why the practices look different now. Growth stage vs. profitability stage. Uber in 2013-2016 was optimizing for growth. Uber in 2025 is optimizing for profitability. These are fundamentally different objective functions, and they produce fundamentally different behaviors. The perverse incentives remain constant; the tactics they generate do not. Here’s the key distinction: growth-stage illegality and profitability-stage illegality carry asymmetric risk profiles. When Uber was in growth mode, the company had optionality. Infinite capital and public goodwill meant the growth team could deploy aggressive guerrilla tactics to enter new markets, absorb the legal consequences, and move on. The expected value calculation favored action. Profitability-stage Uber has no such luxury. The levers available to a mature company fighting for margin are few, and they all point in the same direction: the humans. Drivers. The “assets.” When you squeeze there, you’re not circumventing a government. You’re directly degrading the livelihoods of your own platform participants. The reputational and regulatory exposure is immediate and personal. This brings me to Spain. When Spain blocked Uber from operating, we did not wait for lawyers to navigate the legal system. We shipped a technical solution. I watched this happen in real time. Here’s what we actually built: The goal was simple: keep the Uber app functional for Spanish drivers and riders despite the government blocking our server IPs at the network level. We needed a system that could rapidly distribute new, unblocked IP addresses to every app in the country without requiring an app store update. The solution was a Lua interpreter embedded in the Uber app paired with a gossip protocol for peer-to-peer distribution. The Lua compiler allowed us to push executable code to the app dynamically. No app store approval needed. It was essentially a remote code execution backdoor into our own app, which was both brilliant and terrifying in hindsight. When a user opened the app, it would fetch and execute Lua scripts that contained the latest routing logic and server whitelist. The workflow once it was live: when Spain blocked a batch of our IPs, our infrastructure team would publish a new IP whitelist. That list would seed into the gossip network, where each active Uber app became a node, sharing the updated configuration with other nearby apps. The propagation was exponential. Within hours, millions of devices had the new routing information. The Lua script would compile the updated whitelist and redirect all trip service requests to the unblocked servers. The tech stack was essentially a censorship-circumvention system: Lua for remote code execution, gossip protocol for decentralized distribution, and a dynamically compiled IP whitelist that the app used to route around the blockade. Same playbook Tor uses for bridge distribution or how Telegram distributes proxy servers to users in Iran and Russia. The Spanish government quickly realized they had exhausted their options. We forced the outcome, Uber was unbanned, and operations resumed legally. Here’s the part that matters: it was illegal, but the illegality accrued to Uber’s benefit without harming users. Drivers kept driving. Riders kept riding. The Spanish government got cast as the obstruction, and Uber was welcomed back as the protagonist. That’s the difference between growth-stage rule-breaking and profitability-stage rule-breaking. One makes you the hero. The other makes you a landlord squeezing tenants.