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Shouldn't we be writing thank-you notes to the Chinese tax payers who so graciously subsidies cheap cars for us? I agree that Chinese workers and tax payers ar

by eru 10mo ago

Shouldn't we be writing thank-you notes to the Chinese tax payers who so graciously subsidies cheap cars for us? I agree that Chinese workers and tax payers are hurt. But why do we need to 'defend' anything from their generosity?

tooltalk 10mo ago
>> Shouldn't we be writing thank-you notes to the Chinese tax payers who so graciously subsidies cheap cars for us? I'd write a BIG thank you note to the Chinese taxpayers if they could send a direct cash payment instead, so I can use it towards my next EV purchase (of my own choosing). Otherwise, I prefer not to participate in China's predatory pricing tactic enabled by illegal export subsidies to undermine foreign competitors and distort global market.
- eru 10mo ago
  I'm fairly sure the subsidies are perfectly legal by local laws. In any case, feel free not to buy goods you don't like. No one is forcing you to buy, or are they?
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  - tooltalk 10mo ago
    >> I'm fairly sure the subsidies are perfectly legal by local laws. Sure, China's NEV subsidies are illegal and that's why Chinese EVs should stay in China. Too many folks still don't understand why Chinese EVs are countervailed not only in the US, the EU, Turkiye, Canada, but also why China's ally countries such as Russia and Brazil are imposing restriction on Chinese EVs (or the legal basis). >> In any case, feel free not to buy goods you don't like. No one is forcing you to buy, or are they? Sure, but no point in marching around virtual-signaling as if Chinese EVs and illegal subsidies are pro-consumer.
    - eru 10mo ago
      Chinese EVs are very popular where I live and there are no tariffs on them. We are on good terms with both China and the US. > Sure, but no point in marching around virtual-signaling as if Chinese EVs and illegal subsidies are pro-consumer. Huh? Where's the virtue? And how can cheap stuff not be good for the consumer? The subsidies are bad for the Chinese economy and the Chinese tax payer. But they are excellent for the overseas customers who benefit from them.
numpad0 10mo ago
It'll slowly hemorrhage your industry base, and your country will end up being a giant wasteland with guarded compounds here and there, eventually. You wouldn't want that.
- eru 10mo ago
  Huh, what? Where has that ever happened because of cheap imports?

by eru 10mo ago

tooltalk 10mo ago

>> Shouldn't we be writing thank-you notes to the Chinese tax payers who so graciously subsidies cheap cars for us? I'd write a BIG thank you note to the Chinese taxpayers if they could send a direct cash payment instead, so I can use it towards my next EV purchase (of my own choosing). Otherwise, I prefer not to participate in China's predatory pricing tactic enabled by illegal export subsidies to undermine foreign competitors and distort global market.

eru 10mo ago
I'm fairly sure the subsidies are perfectly legal by local laws. In any case, feel free not to buy goods you don't like. No one is forcing you to buy, or are they?
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- tooltalk 10mo ago
  >> I'm fairly sure the subsidies are perfectly legal by local laws. Sure, China's NEV subsidies are illegal and that's why Chinese EVs should stay in China. Too many folks still don't understand why Chinese EVs are countervailed not only in the US, the EU, Turkiye, Canada, but also why China's ally countries such as Russia and Brazil are imposing restriction on Chinese EVs (or the legal basis). >> In any case, feel free not to buy goods you don't like. No one is forcing you to buy, or are they? Sure, but no point in marching around virtual-signaling as if Chinese EVs and illegal subsidies are pro-consumer.
  - eru 10mo ago
    Chinese EVs are very popular where I live and there are no tariffs on them. We are on good terms with both China and the US. > Sure, but no point in marching around virtual-signaling as if Chinese EVs and illegal subsidies are pro-consumer. Huh? Where's the virtue? And how can cheap stuff not be good for the consumer? The subsidies are bad for the Chinese economy and the Chinese tax payer. But they are excellent for the overseas customers who benefit from them.

numpad0 10mo ago

It'll slowly hemorrhage your industry base, and your country will end up being a giant wasteland with guarded compounds here and there, eventually. You wouldn't want that.

eru 10mo ago
Huh, what? Where has that ever happened because of cheap imports?