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I hear this a lot, but have used Safari as my since it was launch in 2003.Performance has always been great. UI has always been minimalist, out of the way, and

by jonhohle 10mo ago

I hear this a lot, but have used Safari as my since it was launch in 2003.Performance has always been great. UI has always been minimalist, out of the way, and has never upsold me on anything. There are times where it lags and times where it leads standards. There may be a a site every now and then that doesn’t work, but iOS makes that less likely. The only thing I can ever think of is that it’s not <insert favorite browser> or doesn’t have <some favorite esoteric feature>. That said, the only plugins I use are ad blockers, so maybe I’m missing something.

panstromek 10mo ago
It might look ok from user's point of view, but lot of the problems fall on web developers who have to work around a bunch of these issues to make their pages work in Safari
- jonhohle 10mo ago
  I was doing web dev or related from 2000 to 2016. IE6 was far worse than anything Safari has done.
- simianparrot 10mo ago
  Been working with web related tech since the early 00’s. Safari has just never been a problem except for invasive ads, like back in the Flash days.
  - mdhb 10mo ago
    This is such nonsense and everyone who’s a web developer knows you’re not being honest here but just to make it ever clearer for anyone else here’s a chart showing the number of bugs that only occur in a single browser. https://wpt.fyi/results/?label=master&label=experimental&aligned https://wpt.fyi/results/?label=master&label=experimental&ali... It’s undeniable that Apple makes a dogshit browser.
    - troupo 10mo ago
      > This is such nonsense and everyone who’s a web developer knows you’re not being honest And in your opinion "being honest" is speaking for every web dev out there? I've been a web dev for 25 years (god I'm old) and Safari has not been a major pain for me. You keep bandying wpt.fyi results around not even understanding what they mean. E.g. Safari only passes 8 out of 150 accelerometer tests. So? Does it affect every web dev? Lol no. But it does pass 57 out 57 accessibility tests which is significantly more important. Edit: don't forget that there's also Interop 2025 which paints a very different picture: https://wpt.fyi/interop-2025?stable https://wpt.fyi/interop-2025?stable

panstromek 10mo ago

It might look ok from user's point of view, but lot of the problems fall on web developers who have to work around a bunch of these issues to make their pages work in Safari

jonhohle 10mo ago
I was doing web dev or related from 2000 to 2016. IE6 was far worse than anything Safari has done.
simianparrot 10mo ago
Been working with web related tech since the early 00’s. Safari has just never been a problem except for invasive ads, like back in the Flash days.
- mdhb 10mo ago
  This is such nonsense and everyone who’s a web developer knows you’re not being honest here but just to make it ever clearer for anyone else here’s a chart showing the number of bugs that only occur in a single browser. https://wpt.fyi/results/?label=master&label=experimental&aligned https://wpt.fyi/results/?label=master&label=experimental&ali... It’s undeniable that Apple makes a dogshit browser.
  - troupo 10mo ago
    > This is such nonsense and everyone who’s a web developer knows you’re not being honest And in your opinion "being honest" is speaking for every web dev out there? I've been a web dev for 25 years (god I'm old) and Safari has not been a major pain for me. You keep bandying wpt.fyi results around not even understanding what they mean. E.g. Safari only passes 8 out of 150 accelerometer tests. So? Does it affect every web dev? Lol no. But it does pass 57 out 57 accessibility tests which is significantly more important. Edit: don't forget that there's also Interop 2025 which paints a very different picture: https://wpt.fyi/interop-2025?stable https://wpt.fyi/interop-2025?stable