>But you started that part of you message with > The HTML won't make any sense if you start reversing it >? I thought what I written was clear, but I guess it'

>But you started that part of you message with > The HTML won't make any sense if you start reversing it >? I thought what I written was clear, but I guess it's coming off as vague. When you view an html page without presentation the logical flow of all the information should be based on the content. Therefore the tags and what is written you would never reverse the order, because the content will no longer make sense right? So when you're doing something like div #header div #col left div #col middle div #col right div #footer You've grouped content in the form of header, left, middle right, footer. You can't reverse it, it's stuck because of the way it's been written. Every site redesign will require an HTML redesign each and every time. If you grouped your content in the form of (like csszengarden has done) Introduction About the site Site Navigation Sub Menu Content Corporate Info Then ONLY the CSS needs to change. Which is why there are 300+ different and dramatic css layouts on csszengarden, and yet only 1 html. If presentation was truly mixed in there, something would have locked them all into looking a certain way - but as you can see, all the designs are different.