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The fact that this area where the incident happened, Gulf of Finland, is not fully part Finnish/Estonian territorial waters, is only because of a bilateral Finn
by deliciousturkey 9mo ago
The fact that this area where the incident happened, Gulf of Finland, is not fully part Finnish/Estonian territorial waters, is only because of a bilateral Finnish-Estonian agreement. This was done in the 1990's purely for benevolence towards Russia.
Russia clearly hasn't acted in such way that they should enjoy these kinds of acts of benevolence. Finland and Estonia should seriously consider retreating from this agreement.
- vzaliva 9mo agoYou saying the Finland and Estonia are guilty of russia cutting their cables because they signed an agreement?!
- gpm 9mo agoPretty sure they are saying "more vulnerable to" not "guilty".
- mig39 9mo agoNo, he's saying that the area is international waters because Finland and Estonia agreed it was not either's territorial waters. It doesn't have to be international waters.
- dmix 9mo agoNATO probably doesn't want to play that game with China's stance on the seas around them. They make a big deal about having international waters that foreign navies can transit.
- rtkwe 9mo agoThe fight in and around China's sea claims is they encroach into what the rest of the world generally agrees are other countries waters not international waters. The US would still insist it could travel through the Taiwanese or Phillipine waters China wants to claim as their own. It doesn't seem to map at all on to the situation between Finland and Estonia.
- zmgsabst 9mo agoThe US just doesn’t recognize China’s claims to areas (eg, Taiwan or ASEAN sea islands), so doesn’t regard those as Chinese territorial waters in the first place. The point of US freedom of navigation exercises is to assert free transit of allied and international waters, despite Chinese claims, rather than to transit Chinese territorial waters. US warships generally avoid areas which the US views as Chinese territorial waters.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 9mo agoI don't think it's just benevolence. Territorial waters also doesn't mean what many think it means - unlike planes, ships have the almost-universally recognized right to cross territorial waters (innocent passage). But what's more relevant here are rules about straits - territorial waters that fully enclose a section of someone else's territorial waters. My understanding is that that is a big part of the reason why the two countries restrict their claim of territorial waters to leave a corridor of international waters: They want to avoid the area falling under the straits rules (transit passage), which would give Russia more rights than it has now inside the territorial waters.
- lostlogin 9mo ago> ships have the almost-universally recognized right to cross territorial waters (innocent passage). I’m far from a maritime law expert, but destroying cables doesn’t sound like innocent passage.
- yetihehe 9mo agoThat's why they detained the ship...
- lostlogin 9mo agoOn re-reading the article I’m a bit confused. Damage was done in the waters of one country, detaining was done in the other. Why didn’t Russia attack in international waters?
- deliciousturkey 9mo agoThe ship was asked to move to territorial waters by Finnish authorities before detaining.
- LtWorf 9mo agoAnd destroying gasducts?
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- paganel 9mo ago> 1990's purely for benevolence towards Russia. When you're a country as small and insignificant as Estonia is you're not doing anything out of "benevolence" towards a nuclear hyper-power, but what do I know?. maybe the Maja Kallas-types really do believe in their own word-blabber.
- majorbugger 9mo agoYou can't even write her name correctly
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- simonh 9mo agoIt really doesn't.
- paganel 9mo agoIt shows that Kallas is a nobody.
- simonh 9mo agoZelensky was arguably a nobody internationally, until he lead his country to stalling out the entire military might of the Russian Federation in a war that's only a few months away from being longer than the Great Patriotic One, and keep on giving Russia bloodey noses like taking out a chunk of their strategic bomber fleet, the underwater drone strike on Novorossiysk, and tanking the Russian economy. Not bad for a literal comedian.
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- sprytny 9mo agoIs this runet, pikabu or y combinator I am readin? Geeez