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I have made multiple photocopies of my US passport (naturalized) that I have put in my wallet, backpacks, etc.

by yubblegum 10mo ago

bathtub365 10mo ago
I wouldn’t expect them to accept photocopies of a passport
- jtokoph 10mo ago
  I would hope that they have access to a tool to look up the passport by number and confirm that the details match the copy and the photo appears to look like the person.
  - toomuchtodo 10mo ago
    They do, but it can and will be ignored, based on events to date. The goal is to create ambiguity to enable a power imbalance enabling working outside of the legal framework to accomplish target outcomes. It turns an objective boolean evaluation (“is_citizen”) into a subjective one (“is_preferred_and_compliant”).
  - xboxnolifes 10mo ago
    You might even hope that such a system would be able to work off of their name and some other memorable, identifiable information like address, origin country, date of birth, and would display their papers with photo-identification available, but alas... The goal isn't to be reasonable or helpful.
y-c-o-m-b 10mo ago
In another article, I read a US citizen being detained despite showing a copy in his phone: https://archive.is/0WXZR https://archive.is/0WXZR Edit: actually I'm not sure if he got the chance to show the copy, that info seems ambiguous: > The federal agents who detained Mubashir refused his repeated attempts to show them a copy of his passport on his phone or provide his name and date of birth to prove his citizenship, he said. Instead, they insisted he allow them to take a photo of him to make the verification, according to Mubashir.
chaostheory 10mo ago
You can get a card version of your passport that is the same size as your driver’s license. There’s no need to photocopy your actual passport book
- Eddy_Viscosity2 10mo ago
  Its all a moot point because if they want to arrest you, then it doesn't matter what you show them. They're going to arrest you anyway, and suffer no consequences for doing so.
  - chaostheory 10mo ago
    “Giving up and dying” is a personal preference that we don’t all share.
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 10mo ago
      It certainly wasn't a preference that I was advocating for. Odd that's what you saw in my comment.
- yubblegum 10mo ago
  TIL. Thanks, good to know.
Smoosh 10mo ago
That won’t help you if they decide that they don’t like you. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-citizen-arrested-by-ice_n_693c9355e4b018dc36f254c0 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-citizen-arrested-by-ice_n_...

I have made multiple photocopies of my US passport (naturalized) that I have put in my wallet, backpacks, etc.

bathtub365 10mo ago

I wouldn’t expect them to accept photocopies of a passport

jtokoph 10mo ago
I would hope that they have access to a tool to look up the passport by number and confirm that the details match the copy and the photo appears to look like the person.
- toomuchtodo 10mo ago
  They do, but it can and will be ignored, based on events to date. The goal is to create ambiguity to enable a power imbalance enabling working outside of the legal framework to accomplish target outcomes. It turns an objective boolean evaluation (“is_citizen”) into a subjective one (“is_preferred_and_compliant”).
- xboxnolifes 10mo ago
  You might even hope that such a system would be able to work off of their name and some other memorable, identifiable information like address, origin country, date of birth, and would display their papers with photo-identification available, but alas... The goal isn't to be reasonable or helpful.

y-c-o-m-b 10mo ago

In another article, I read a US citizen being detained despite showing a copy in his phone: https://archive.is/0WXZR https://archive.is/0WXZR Edit: actually I'm not sure if he got the chance to show the copy, that info seems ambiguous: > The federal agents who detained Mubashir refused his repeated attempts to show them a copy of his passport on his phone or provide his name and date of birth to prove his citizenship, he said. Instead, they insisted he allow them to take a photo of him to make the verification, according to Mubashir.

chaostheory 10mo ago

You can get a card version of your passport that is the same size as your driver’s license. There’s no need to photocopy your actual passport book

Eddy_Viscosity2 10mo ago
Its all a moot point because if they want to arrest you, then it doesn't matter what you show them. They're going to arrest you anyway, and suffer no consequences for doing so.
- chaostheory 10mo ago
  “Giving up and dying” is a personal preference that we don’t all share.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 10mo ago
    It certainly wasn't a preference that I was advocating for. Odd that's what you saw in my comment.
yubblegum 10mo ago
TIL. Thanks, good to know.

Smoosh 10mo ago

That won’t help you if they decide that they don’t like you. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-citizen-arrested-by-ice_n_693c9355e4b018dc36f254c0 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-citizen-arrested-by-ice_n_...