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Skimming this it is a shocker to see the author citing Jordan Lasker (Cremieux) without even some sort of disclaimer. Lasker has repeatedly falsified results,

by OgsyedIE 10mo ago

Skimming this it is a shocker to see the author citing Jordan Lasker (Cremieux) without even some sort of disclaimer. Lasker has repeatedly falsified results, given some feigned apology or redirection and continued the practice of falsifying results.

gsu2 10mo ago
Skimming the comments it is a shocker to see people attacking Jordan Lasker (Cremieux) without even some sort of link to more context.
- cretinoid 10mo ago
  Well said :)
- b00ty4breakfast 10mo ago
  If only we lived in an era of instantly-available information easily accessed through ubiquitous supercomputers that we have in our homes and in our pockets. oh, wait: https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=Jordan%20Lasker https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=Jordan%20Lasker
- Aurornis 10mo ago
  That's fair. He's a prominent figure on Twitter who posts a lot of charts and graphs on different and often benign subjects which get shared around a lot. It's not until you follow him that you realize his core obsession is promoting ideas about race and IQ in broad strokes. For example, singling out ethnic groups as intellectually inferior or more likely to commit crime. He has a history of posting misleading or falsified charts or data if their convenient to his agenda. If you go deeper, his old Reddit account under a pseudonym was discovered to be a little more mask-off than his Twitter personality. From Wikipedia: > between 2014 and 2016 Lasker had made many anti-Semitic and racist posts on Reddit under the pseudonym Faliceer.[7] In 2016, the account Faliceer self-identified as a "Jewish White Supremacist Nazi". He also wished Adolf Hitler a happy birthday, promoted eugenics and attacked interracial relationships.
  - afpx 10mo ago
    But, the above poster said he falsified results. Is that true? I had some LLMs search, but they couldn't find anything.
    - tptacek 10mo ago
      I don't know about "falsified results", that's a pretty strong phrasing, but here's an interesting story about research Lasker presented on Twitter, by David Bessis: https://davidbessis.substack.com/p/twins-reared-apart-do-not-exist https://davidbessis.substack.com/p/twins-reared-apart-do-not...
  - qcnguy 10mo ago
    None of you are evidencing your claims that he's unreliable. You just keep repeating it, even after being asked for specifics they other people cannot find. It seems more likely from these posts that Lasker is actually accurate but you can't handle true claims about IQ and race, so have unilaterally decided those must be fake because they undermines a left wing world view. But group differences in IQ are a very strong and well replicated result. There is nothing unreliable about those. Until you bring receipts we have to assume you are engaging in ad hominem for ideological reasons.
    - tptacek 10mo ago
      There's clear evidence just one comment back on the thread that falsifies your argument.
      - qcnguy 10mo ago
        You mean your comment with the link to the claim there's no such thing as twin studies?
        tptacek 10mo ago
        That's not what the link says, obviously.
Aurornis 10mo ago
For those who don’t know, Cremieux is a prolific Twitter poster. He posts a lot of graphs and charts and presents himself as purely objective and data driven, but follow him for a while and you’ll start to see he’s highly politically motivated and will pretend to be completely blind to any data that disagrees with his agenda. He has become a popular figure in the “rationalist” community which this blog (Marginal Revolution) belongs to, so you won’t find criticisms within this sphere. Cremieux is the type of poster who posts 90% accurate information to build trust and then slips in 10% agenda-pushing material. If you’re not paying close attention or following people who will debunk him, it all looks equally scientific. He was highly active during the last election with political claims and data that were easily debunked or shown to be taken out of context. He’s also a big proponent of buying GLP-1 peptides from questionable sources and mixing your own injections, which he advertises broadly but then puts his “guides” behind a paywall as a source of income. Because he profits from subscriptions to his guides, he has a huge conflict of interest when explaining the safety of buying these underground peptides and mixing your own injections, but he’s held up as a source of scientific truth for how completely safe it is by people who don’t recognize his conflict of interest.
- tptacek 10mo ago
  He's also a main character in white supremacist Twitter, for whatever that's worth. Whatever the deal is, he's probably not wrong about autism.
  - Aurornis 10mo ago
    > Whatever the deal is, he's probably not wrong about autism. I agree, but it’s worth pointing out that this is kind of his whole schtick: Most of the topics he posts about are probably objectively based and generally accurate. He uses this to build trust before slipping in the bananas claims about immigrants, race/IQ stuff, and other political topics, or when it comes time to sell followers on subscriptions to his GLP-1 guides (which do not contain any information you couldn’t find freely from numerous other sources)
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tptacek 10mo ago
Marginal Revolution is a watering hole for all sorts of oddballs, some of them benign, some of them not so much. Lasker and Sailer are examples of the latter kind. In Lasker's case, you kind of have to be "read in" to know what their deal is, so it's not surprising to see them quoted without any context. That context is probably not relevant to what Tabarrok is talking about anyways.
- ekianjo 10mo ago
  Marginal Revolution is basically just cherry picking data to fit whatever narrative is convenient.
  - tptacek 10mo ago
    Every public-intellectual economist gets accused of that. I don't take anything they say on faith and I don't regularly read MR because the scene around it is icky, but I also don't reflexively assume they're wrong about everything. Tabarrok and Cowen are not stupid.
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coldtea 10mo ago
It's marginalrevolution.com, what does one expect?
blactuary 10mo ago
Tyler is all-in with the racists and fascists these days
- blactuary 10mo ago
  A couple of hit dogs hollering here

gsu2 10mo ago

Skimming the comments it is a shocker to see people attacking Jordan Lasker (Cremieux) without even some sort of link to more context.

cretinoid 10mo ago
Well said :)
b00ty4breakfast 10mo ago
If only we lived in an era of instantly-available information easily accessed through ubiquitous supercomputers that we have in our homes and in our pockets. oh, wait: https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=Jordan%20Lasker https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=Jordan%20Lasker
Aurornis 10mo ago
That's fair. He's a prominent figure on Twitter who posts a lot of charts and graphs on different and often benign subjects which get shared around a lot. It's not until you follow him that you realize his core obsession is promoting ideas about race and IQ in broad strokes. For example, singling out ethnic groups as intellectually inferior or more likely to commit crime. He has a history of posting misleading or falsified charts or data if their convenient to his agenda. If you go deeper, his old Reddit account under a pseudonym was discovered to be a little more mask-off than his Twitter personality. From Wikipedia: > between 2014 and 2016 Lasker had made many anti-Semitic and racist posts on Reddit under the pseudonym Faliceer.[7] In 2016, the account Faliceer self-identified as a "Jewish White Supremacist Nazi". He also wished Adolf Hitler a happy birthday, promoted eugenics and attacked interracial relationships.
- afpx 10mo ago
  But, the above poster said he falsified results. Is that true? I had some LLMs search, but they couldn't find anything.
  - tptacek 10mo ago
    I don't know about "falsified results", that's a pretty strong phrasing, but here's an interesting story about research Lasker presented on Twitter, by David Bessis: https://davidbessis.substack.com/p/twins-reared-apart-do-not-exist https://davidbessis.substack.com/p/twins-reared-apart-do-not...
- qcnguy 10mo ago
  None of you are evidencing your claims that he's unreliable. You just keep repeating it, even after being asked for specifics they other people cannot find. It seems more likely from these posts that Lasker is actually accurate but you can't handle true claims about IQ and race, so have unilaterally decided those must be fake because they undermines a left wing world view. But group differences in IQ are a very strong and well replicated result. There is nothing unreliable about those. Until you bring receipts we have to assume you are engaging in ad hominem for ideological reasons.
  - tptacek 10mo ago
    There's clear evidence just one comment back on the thread that falsifies your argument.
    - qcnguy 10mo ago
      You mean your comment with the link to the claim there's no such thing as twin studies?
      - tptacek 10mo ago
        That's not what the link says, obviously.

Aurornis 10mo ago

For those who don’t know, Cremieux is a prolific Twitter poster. He posts a lot of graphs and charts and presents himself as purely objective and data driven, but follow him for a while and you’ll start to see he’s highly politically motivated and will pretend to be completely blind to any data that disagrees with his agenda. He has become a popular figure in the “rationalist” community which this blog (Marginal Revolution) belongs to, so you won’t find criticisms within this sphere. Cremieux is the type of poster who posts 90% accurate information to build trust and then slips in 10% agenda-pushing material. If you’re not paying close attention or following people who will debunk him, it all looks equally scientific. He was highly active during the last election with political claims and data that were easily debunked or shown to be taken out of context. He’s also a big proponent of buying GLP-1 peptides from questionable sources and mixing your own injections, which he advertises broadly but then puts his “guides” behind a paywall as a source of income. Because he profits from subscriptions to his guides, he has a huge conflict of interest when explaining the safety of buying these underground peptides and mixing your own injections, but he’s held up as a source of scientific truth for how completely safe it is by people who don’t recognize his conflict of interest.

tptacek 10mo ago
He's also a main character in white supremacist Twitter, for whatever that's worth. Whatever the deal is, he's probably not wrong about autism.
- Aurornis 10mo ago
  > Whatever the deal is, he's probably not wrong about autism. I agree, but it’s worth pointing out that this is kind of his whole schtick: Most of the topics he posts about are probably objectively based and generally accurate. He uses this to build trust before slipping in the bananas claims about immigrants, race/IQ stuff, and other political topics, or when it comes time to sell followers on subscriptions to his GLP-1 guides (which do not contain any information you couldn’t find freely from numerous other sources)
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tptacek 10mo ago

Marginal Revolution is a watering hole for all sorts of oddballs, some of them benign, some of them not so much. Lasker and Sailer are examples of the latter kind. In Lasker's case, you kind of have to be "read in" to know what their deal is, so it's not surprising to see them quoted without any context. That context is probably not relevant to what Tabarrok is talking about anyways.

ekianjo 10mo ago
Marginal Revolution is basically just cherry picking data to fit whatever narrative is convenient.
- tptacek 10mo ago
  Every public-intellectual economist gets accused of that. I don't take anything they say on faith and I don't regularly read MR because the scene around it is icky, but I also don't reflexively assume they're wrong about everything. Tabarrok and Cowen are not stupid.
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    [deleted]

coldtea 10mo ago

It's marginalrevolution.com, what does one expect?

blactuary 10mo ago

Tyler is all-in with the racists and fascists these days

blactuary 10mo ago
A couple of hit dogs hollering here