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Most big YouTubers, especially tech adjacent, have about 40-50% of users ad-blocking their content. So they get no compensation. Ok fine, but those users surel

Most big YouTubers, especially tech adjacent, have about 40-50% of users ad-blocking their content. So they get no compensation. Ok fine, but those users surely use patreon then? Well conversion rates for "viewer to paying subscriber" are <1%. Again, I'm not pointing the finger at you individually, perhaps you always send tips and subscriptions, but overwhelmingly, the vibe of people with your feelings have a mindset of "I'm entitled to free stuff, they're bad if they want money, and I'm fighting a righteous crusade" Meanwhile the Internet is going to shit catering only to people who cannot figure out ad block....

fwip 9mo ago
Surely the revenue from a patreon subscriber is also more than 100x that of a viewer, right?
- Workaccount2 9mo ago
  Yes, let's endorse a system where 1 sucker pays and 100 others ride for free.. C'mon
  - iamtedd 9mo ago
    It's literally a system of patronage, so yes. That's what the patrons sign up for.
    - kldg 9mo ago
      also essentially how many large news organizations have pivoted. $520/year for WSJ, $400/year for Bloomberg (excluding terminal-only news and other extras, of course), $390/year for NYT, $120/year for WaPo (with exclusions). For only $2,500 or so a year, you can have a balanced stream of news and journalism. -But not your household; you need to pay extra for family plans. (or you can do what most people do)
nativeit 9mo ago
I do subscribe to Nebula, where most (albeit not “all”) of the YouTube creators I follow can be found. I donate to Patreon for folks like Benn Jordan, whom I feel does work that’s important and beneficial for society. For all the rest, including streaming/broadcast/cable stations owned by Paramount, Disney, and precious few others at this point? To hell with them. I take the money I saved from unsubscribing to their flawed and exploitative platforms, and I donate it to a handful of organizations like Wikipedia, EFF, and Archive.org. During the Hollywood writer’s strike, I donated $5/month to charitable orgs recommended by their union. I see live music several times a year. I purchase music from Bandcamp. There are lots of ways to support artists and creative professionals that don’t involve funding their exploitation, it’s just not as tidy or simple.
- Workaccount2 9mo ago
  Good for you, these comments always get up votes, largely from the other 99% of people riding on the generosity of your contributions. It feels good, but comments like yours need to be meaningless and repetitive, not celebrated because it gives freeloaders a sense of contributing.
nottorp 9mo ago
> but those users surely use patreon then? I personally don't watch talking heads on youtube, but let me tell you that no way I'm subscribing to every "influencer" that wants me to pay a silicon valley starbucks latte per month. Begging for subscriptions isn't the solution.

fwip 9mo ago

Surely the revenue from a patreon subscriber is also more than 100x that of a viewer, right?

Workaccount2 9mo ago
Yes, let's endorse a system where 1 sucker pays and 100 others ride for free.. C'mon
- iamtedd 9mo ago
  It's literally a system of patronage, so yes. That's what the patrons sign up for.
  - kldg 9mo ago
    also essentially how many large news organizations have pivoted. $520/year for WSJ, $400/year for Bloomberg (excluding terminal-only news and other extras, of course), $390/year for NYT, $120/year for WaPo (with exclusions). For only $2,500 or so a year, you can have a balanced stream of news and journalism. -But not your household; you need to pay extra for family plans. (or you can do what most people do)

nativeit 9mo ago

I do subscribe to Nebula, where most (albeit not “all”) of the YouTube creators I follow can be found. I donate to Patreon for folks like Benn Jordan, whom I feel does work that’s important and beneficial for society. For all the rest, including streaming/broadcast/cable stations owned by Paramount, Disney, and precious few others at this point? To hell with them. I take the money I saved from unsubscribing to their flawed and exploitative platforms, and I donate it to a handful of organizations like Wikipedia, EFF, and Archive.org. During the Hollywood writer’s strike, I donated $5/month to charitable orgs recommended by their union. I see live music several times a year. I purchase music from Bandcamp. There are lots of ways to support artists and creative professionals that don’t involve funding their exploitation, it’s just not as tidy or simple.

Workaccount2 9mo ago
Good for you, these comments always get up votes, largely from the other 99% of people riding on the generosity of your contributions. It feels good, but comments like yours need to be meaningless and repetitive, not celebrated because it gives freeloaders a sense of contributing.

nottorp 9mo ago

> but those users surely use patreon then? I personally don't watch talking heads on youtube, but let me tell you that no way I'm subscribing to every "influencer" that wants me to pay a silicon valley starbucks latte per month. Begging for subscriptions isn't the solution.