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Country A attacks vastly more powerful neighbor. They have no defensive infrastructure (for civilians), no plans for minimizing civilian deaths, no hope of actu
by hersko 9mo ago
Country A attacks vastly more powerful neighbor. They have no defensive infrastructure (for civilians), no plans for minimizing civilian deaths, no hope of actually winning the war they started. There strategy is to fight in a dense urban environment among their own civilians while firing thousands of unguided rockets at their enemy, knowing the retaliation is going to be horrific with no way for them to stop it (other than surrendering, but they would rather all die).
Country B has possibly the best missile defense system in the world; mainly because their neighbors shoot unguided rockets into their city. They work to defend their citizens at all costs even with expensive missiles and a protracted military campaign. They design cutting edge laser missile defense to help them alleviate the burden of protecting their citizens. The only reason they do not have to completely annihilate their neighbor who's shooting rockets at them is because they are able to intercept most of them. If those rockets were actually landing and causing tens of thousands of civilian casualties their retaliation would have to be far more deadly.
People on the internet: "actually its the civilians from country A who need defenses"
- recroad 9mo agoCountry A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible. But everyone somehow seems to conveniently forget that part. Don't take my word for it, list of apartheid and genocide reports below. The reason this doesn't make the discourse, even on communities like Hacker News which are supposed to be "smart", is because of decades of the West being brainwashed to the point where Islamophobia is normalized and ubiquitous. Genocide accusations: - Amnesty International - https://zeteo.com/p/amnesty-concludes-israel-genocide-gaza https://zeteo.com/p/amnesty-concludes-israel-genocide-gaza - Human Rights Watch - https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/19/israels-crime-extermination-acts-genocide-gaza https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/19/israels-crime-exterminat... - Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) - https://msf.org.uk/issues/gaza-genocide https://msf.org.uk/issues/gaza-genocide - University Network for Human Rights - https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/projects/genocide-in-gaza https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/projects/genocide-in-gaza - B'Tselem - https://zeteo.com/p/israeli-human-rights-group-says-israel https://zeteo.com/p/israeli-human-rights-group-says-israel - Al-Haq - https://www.alhaq.org/publications/25781.html https://www.alhaq.org/publications/25781.html - Palestinian Centre for Human Rights - https://pchrgaza.org/category/genocide-against-gaza/ https://pchrgaza.org/category/genocide-against-gaza/ - Physicians for Human Rights - Israel - United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied - Palestinian Territory - https://zeteo.com/p/united-nations-un-gaza-genocide-israel https://zeteo.com/p/united-nations-un-gaza-genocide-israel - The International Association of Genocide Scholars - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza-worlds-top-scholars-on-the-say https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committ... Apartheid accusations: - Amnesty International - https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/israel-opt-israel-is-committing-apartheid-says-un-special-rapporteur/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/israel-opt-is... - Human Rights Watch - https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra... - B'Tselem - https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is... - Al-Haq - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16183.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16183.html - Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16183.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16183.html - Al Mezan Centre for Human Rights - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/19761.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/19761.html - Addameer Prisoner Support and Human Rights Association - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20931.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20931.html - UN Special Rapporteur Michael Lynk - https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-y... - UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16324.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16324.html - Human Sciences Research Council of South Africa - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/7207.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/7207.html - International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) - Referenced in multiple coalition statements - BADIL Resource Center - https://badil.org/press-releases/592.html https://badil.org/press-releases/592.html - Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies (CIHRS) - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/17012.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/17012.html - Palestinian Coalition of 8 Organizations - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20931.html https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20931.html
- LorenPechtel 9mo ago[flagged]
- FrinkleFrankle 9mo agoYou know, both sides can be bad. They're both led by bad people who do bad things and some good things. I've watched the Oct 10th attack videos. They're horrific. I've also watched the videos of civilian buildings in Palestine being have their roofs "knocked on" by a missile, followed shortly after by demolition by additional missiles.. And the Israeli solders dropping grenades on tents.. And the firsthand accounts of doctors talking of children and infants being shot through the head with sniper rounds. Both country's governments are in the wrong and their civilians are suffering because of it.
- hersko 9mo agoIt's insane to compare Hamas and how they treat their citizens with Israel. Can you name a single thing Hamas has done to mitigate its civilian casualties?
- recroad 9mo agoSorry, what? Mitigate it's civilian casualties? Are you spewing the garbage "human shield" argument here? The propagandization is complete with you. - B'tselem is a an Israeli org - https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields - Former Israeli soldiers - https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-army-human-shields-80f358dd2c87a1123f26ffada159701c https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-arm... - Even NY Times - https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-military-human-shields.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-g...
- FunnyUsername 9mo agoYou didn't answer his question.
- LtWorf 9mo agoYou just got wrong who attacked whom.