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Free service with strings attached does sound like a "some day - and that day may never come - I will call upon you"[0] type of bargain. [0] https://youtu.be/H

• janez2 10mo ago
  you have a tracking "si=..." parameter in the youtube link
  • senko 10mo ago
    heh, qed. thanks, edited the comment to remove the tracking param.
• paulryanrogers 10mo ago
  Except the terms aren't vague. They are spelled out. Usually the deal is to accept exposure to ads. While the terms may change in the future, the switching cost of a different browser or website are often quite low.
  • kaoD 10mo ago
    I didn't accept any deal by clicking a link that took me to a webpage. I don't think anyone using Python, which is GPL-compatible, expects it to come with a "and you'll see our popup advertising for donations if you visit our site". If you (generic "you") make me accept that deal, guess what: I won't (and I actually don't, this happens routinely to me since I'm european -- I always close pages that ask me to "log in or accept our cookies"). Feel free to block me. I don't care that much about your content anyways. I won't see ads one way, or the other. And I will work hard to make this the default experience of my friends and family. I'd gladly click a checkbox "tell the server I'm using adblock so they can block me". I don't care about your content that much. It's often crap and low value, that's why you do drive-by advertising with clickbait titles and low effort mass slop.
    • Workaccount2 10mo ago
      Most big YouTubers, especially tech adjacent, have about 40-50% of users ad-blocking their content. So they get no compensation. Ok fine, but those users surely use patreon then? Well conversion rates for "viewer to paying subscriber" are <1%. Again, I'm not pointing the finger at you individually, perhaps you always send tips and subscriptions, but overwhelmingly, the vibe of people with your feelings have a mindset of "I'm entitled to free stuff, they're bad if they want money, and I'm fighting a righteous crusade" Meanwhile the Internet is going to shit catering only to people who cannot figure out ad block....
      • fwip 10mo ago
        Surely the revenue from a patreon subscriber is also more than 100x that of a viewer, right?
        • Workaccount2 10mo ago
          Yes, let's endorse a system where 1 sucker pays and 100 others ride for free.. C'mon
          • iamtedd 10mo ago
            It's literally a system of patronage, so yes. That's what the patrons sign up for.
            • kldg 10mo ago
              also essentially how many large news organizations have pivoted. $520/year for WSJ, $400/year for Bloomberg (excluding terminal-only news and other extras, of course), $390/year for NYT, $120/year for WaPo (with exclusions). For only $2,500 or so a year, you can have a balanced stream of news and journalism. -But not your household; you need to pay extra for family plans. (or you can do what most people do)
      • nativeit 10mo ago