Right, as I said I also think Python has similar issues with startup time. I've used a limited amount of Java CLIs, the most obvious ones are things like Gradl

Right, as I said I also think Python has similar issues with startup time. I've used a limited amount of Java CLIs, the most obvious ones are things like Gradle which never felt snappy to use - it is annoying when even doing basic things takes 2+ seconds. I guess not the end of the world, but that seems suboptimal to me compared to a system that feels fast to use and hence well engineered.