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What he wrote was a primer.. describing the basics of what sexism is.. in fact in his terminology portion he pretty much breaks down what any gender equality bo

What he wrote was a primer.. describing the basics of what sexism is.. in fact in his terminology portion he pretty much breaks down what any gender equality book would break down, and he does so in a very concise manor. Also you MUST address rape culture when addressing sexism. Being dismissive of it is what leads to sexism. Reminds me of that kixeye manager "Let me tell you, it's ok to make jokes about slavery because that's over."

zachinglis 14y ago
Rape and sexism are not the same thing. Rape is genderless. Despite the fact that rape happens more to women, it happens to both genders. Secondly, just because someone is sexist it doesn't correlate to whether they're rapists or not. Sexism is about ignorance, rape is about many things often anger or control. If you mention rape any time someone says "I get paid less because I'm a girl", it sensationalizes it. It's like mentioning slavery, every time someone says "I'm only paid minimum wage"
- rootedbox 14y ago
  So blacks don't get paid less, get higher interest rates, and jailed more frequently; because of slavery? All class systems invoke a behaviors which is the complete opposite of Meritocracy; They are sensational from one viewpoint but are still prevalent in the class system. If you do not openly address those then you are in fact being passive in allowing the system to continue. Just because you treat women with dignity, and you have friends of multiple races.. Simply means you are not bigoted. You still could be a racist, and sexist. These are some things Faruk Ateş is bringing up in his primer, but is being lost by those who in general are privileged.
  - zachinglis 14y ago
    He's bringing up valid points surrounded by the word rape. It's almost a Godwin's Law. He's presenting the most extreme example again and again in a post that otherwise has some validity. Of course I disagree with rape. It's a very personal matter close to my heart for many reasons. But it is an extreme outcome of sexism, it is not the problem because of sexism nor is it the reason sexism happens.
- KuraFire 14y ago
  Zach, sexism is exactly as genderless as rape is. You (and Laura) should read up on rape culture and how intertwined it is with the culture of sexism in society. They’re kind of like government debt and government spending: yes, they’re separate issues, but they influence each other _quite a bit_. Also, please stop spreading the utter lie that I discounted rape against men. I never did that, nor would I. The primer is just not the right place to go in-depth on the subtleties of rape culture and how they affect men and women differently under different circumstances and at different ages. It's a primer.

zachinglis 14y ago

Rape and sexism are not the same thing. Rape is genderless. Despite the fact that rape happens more to women, it happens to both genders. Secondly, just because someone is sexist it doesn't correlate to whether they're rapists or not. Sexism is about ignorance, rape is about many things often anger or control. If you mention rape any time someone says "I get paid less because I'm a girl", it sensationalizes it. It's like mentioning slavery, every time someone says "I'm only paid minimum wage"

rootedbox 14y ago
So blacks don't get paid less, get higher interest rates, and jailed more frequently; because of slavery? All class systems invoke a behaviors which is the complete opposite of Meritocracy; They are sensational from one viewpoint but are still prevalent in the class system. If you do not openly address those then you are in fact being passive in allowing the system to continue. Just because you treat women with dignity, and you have friends of multiple races.. Simply means you are not bigoted. You still could be a racist, and sexist. These are some things Faruk Ateş is bringing up in his primer, but is being lost by those who in general are privileged.
- zachinglis 14y ago
  He's bringing up valid points surrounded by the word rape. It's almost a Godwin's Law. He's presenting the most extreme example again and again in a post that otherwise has some validity. Of course I disagree with rape. It's a very personal matter close to my heart for many reasons. But it is an extreme outcome of sexism, it is not the problem because of sexism nor is it the reason sexism happens.
KuraFire 14y ago
Zach, sexism is exactly as genderless as rape is. You (and Laura) should read up on rape culture and how intertwined it is with the culture of sexism in society. They’re kind of like government debt and government spending: yes, they’re separate issues, but they influence each other _quite a bit_. Also, please stop spreading the utter lie that I discounted rape against men. I never did that, nor would I. The primer is just not the right place to go in-depth on the subtleties of rape culture and how they affect men and women differently under different circumstances and at different ages. It's a primer.