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I don't know how you can be so sure about that sentence being written by LLM. I can imagine it is perfectly possible that a human could've written that. I mean,

I don't know how you can be so sure about that sentence being written by LLM. I can imagine it is perfectly possible that a human could've written that. I mean, on some day I might write a sentence just like that. I think HN should really ban complaints about LLM written text. It is annoying at best and a discouraging insinuation at worst. The insinuation is really offensive when the insinuation is false and the author in fact wrote the sentence with their own brain. I don't know if this sentence was written by LLM or not but people will definitely use LLMs to revise and refine posts. No amount of complaining will stop this. It is the new reality. It's a trend that will only continue to grow. These incessant complaints about LLM-written text don't help and they make the comment threads really boring. HN should really introduce a rule to ban such complaints just like it bans complaints about tangential annoyances like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage

jjj123 9mo ago
The funny thing is I’ve never seen an author of a post chime in and say “hey! I wrote this entirely myself” on an AI accusation. I either see sheepish admission with a “sorry, I’ll do better next time” or no response at all. Not saying the commenters never get it wrong, but I’ve seen them get it provably right a bunch of times.
- throwaway150 9mo ago
  > The funny thing is I’ve never seen an author of a post chime in and say “hey! I wrote this entirely myself” on an AI accusation. I've seen this happen many times here on HN where the one accused comes back and says that they did in fact write it themselves. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45824197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45824197
- int_19h 9mo ago
  Given how easily people throw around such accusations based solely on things like "it has an em dash", I think it's entirely reasonable to ignore them at this point.
AdieuToLogic 9mo ago
> I don't know if this sentence was written by LLM or not but people will definitely use LLMs to revise and refine posts. No amount of complaining will stop this. It is the new reality. It's a trend that will only continue to grow. Using an LLM to generate a post with the implication it is the author's own thoughts is the quintessential definition of intellectual laziness. One might as well argue that plagiarism is perfectly fine when writing a paper in school.
- throwaway150 9mo ago
  > Using an LLM to generate a post You are talking about an entirely different situation that I purposely avoided in my comment.
  - AdieuToLogic 9mo ago
    >>> people will definitely use LLMs to revise and refine posts >> Using an LLM to generate a post > You are talking about an entirely different situation that I purposely avoided in my comment. By that logic, if I hand a s/w engineering team a PostIt note saying "add feature X", then all they are doing is "revise and refine" the solution I made, not generating a solution. Gotcha.
    - throwaway150 9mo ago
      > By that logic, if I hand a s/w engineering team a PostIt note saying "add feature X", then all they are doing is "revise and refine" the solution I made, not generating a solution. Way to stretch my comment and make it mean something I didn't mean! You have gone from me talking about just "revising and refining a post" to someone generating whole software features using LLM. First, I wasn't talking about generating whole software features. Second, pretending as if I implied anything like that even remotely is a disingenuous and frankly a bad-faith style of debating. You are looking for some sort of disagreement when there is none. I detest LLM-based plagiarism too. So really confused why you've to come here and look for disagreements when there is none and be combative, no less? If this is your style of debating, I refuse to engage further. Next time, you might want to review the HN guidelines and be less combative: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.
muhaccount 9mo ago
I agree with you on principle, but agree with the OP in practice. "NERD is what source code becomes when humans stop pretending they need to write it" means nothing. Once I read that I realized there was very little to zero review of the outputs by a human, so it's all potential hyperbole. It flips an internal switch to be more skeptical...for me, at least. If its output isn't massaged by a team, then I appreciate the callouts until the stack is mature/proven. Doesn't make it better/worse...just a different level of scrutiny.
sublinear 9mo ago
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torben-friis 9mo ago
>I don't know how you can be so sure about that sentence being written by LLM. I envy you if you can’t tell, genuinely. It means you don’t have to put up with generated text as much as I do. It’s not really an ambiguous case. >No amount of complaining will stop this. It is the new reality. It's a trend that will only continue to grow. These incessant complaints about LLM-written text don't help and they make the comment threads really boring. As long as people keep placing me in a position to read things they didn’t bother to write, I will keep pointing it out. If this place became content with being fed slop, I’d go.

jjj123 9mo ago

The funny thing is I’ve never seen an author of a post chime in and say “hey! I wrote this entirely myself” on an AI accusation. I either see sheepish admission with a “sorry, I’ll do better next time” or no response at all. Not saying the commenters never get it wrong, but I’ve seen them get it provably right a bunch of times.

throwaway150 9mo ago
> The funny thing is I’ve never seen an author of a post chime in and say “hey! I wrote this entirely myself” on an AI accusation. I've seen this happen many times here on HN where the one accused comes back and says that they did in fact write it themselves. Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45824197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45824197
int_19h 9mo ago
Given how easily people throw around such accusations based solely on things like "it has an em dash", I think it's entirely reasonable to ignore them at this point.

AdieuToLogic 9mo ago

> I don't know if this sentence was written by LLM or not but people will definitely use LLMs to revise and refine posts. No amount of complaining will stop this. It is the new reality. It's a trend that will only continue to grow. Using an LLM to generate a post with the implication it is the author's own thoughts is the quintessential definition of intellectual laziness. One might as well argue that plagiarism is perfectly fine when writing a paper in school.

throwaway150 9mo ago
> Using an LLM to generate a post You are talking about an entirely different situation that I purposely avoided in my comment.
- AdieuToLogic 9mo ago
  >>> people will definitely use LLMs to revise and refine posts >> Using an LLM to generate a post > You are talking about an entirely different situation that I purposely avoided in my comment. By that logic, if I hand a s/w engineering team a PostIt note saying "add feature X", then all they are doing is "revise and refine" the solution I made, not generating a solution. Gotcha.
  - throwaway150 9mo ago
    > By that logic, if I hand a s/w engineering team a PostIt note saying "add feature X", then all they are doing is "revise and refine" the solution I made, not generating a solution. Way to stretch my comment and make it mean something I didn't mean! You have gone from me talking about just "revising and refining a post" to someone generating whole software features using LLM. First, I wasn't talking about generating whole software features. Second, pretending as if I implied anything like that even remotely is a disingenuous and frankly a bad-faith style of debating. You are looking for some sort of disagreement when there is none. I detest LLM-based plagiarism too. So really confused why you've to come here and look for disagreements when there is none and be combative, no less? If this is your style of debating, I refuse to engage further. Next time, you might want to review the HN guidelines and be less combative: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.

muhaccount 9mo ago

I agree with you on principle, but agree with the OP in practice. "NERD is what source code becomes when humans stop pretending they need to write it" means nothing. Once I read that I realized there was very little to zero review of the outputs by a human, so it's all potential hyperbole. It flips an internal switch to be more skeptical...for me, at least. If its output isn't massaged by a team, then I appreciate the callouts until the stack is mature/proven. Doesn't make it better/worse...just a different level of scrutiny.

sublinear 9mo ago

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torben-friis 9mo ago

>I don't know how you can be so sure about that sentence being written by LLM. I envy you if you can’t tell, genuinely. It means you don’t have to put up with generated text as much as I do. It’s not really an ambiguous case. >No amount of complaining will stop this. It is the new reality. It's a trend that will only continue to grow. These incessant complaints about LLM-written text don't help and they make the comment threads really boring. As long as people keep placing me in a position to read things they didn’t bother to write, I will keep pointing it out. If this place became content with being fed slop, I’d go.