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Yeah, they are probably a disturbance at best. Like pets, large signs, beach balls, and alcohol alcoholic beverages, which are other things on the list. "secur

Yeah, they are probably a disturbance at best. Like pets, large signs, beach balls, and alcohol alcoholic beverages, which are other things on the list. "security" is a lot more broad than just "preventing terrorist attacks" You don't need to be a super l33et h4x0r to disrupt an event -- you could knock around a beach ball or turn off a display with the IR blaster on a flipper zero. Not everything is life or death.

borski 10mo ago
What’s more likely? That they were banned due to misunderstandings of what these devices are, or that they were banned they are “causing a disturbance”? Can you find an example of such a case? I’m not sure why this feels so important to defend. There are several definitions of security, but the most relevant (in this context) are: 1. the state of being protected against or safe from danger or threat. 2. the safety of a state or organization against criminal activity such as terrorism, theft, or espionage. 3. procedures followed or measures taken to ensure the safety of a state or organization. I fail to see how these devices fall into those definitions. I also don’t see how beach balls do either. So if your argument is changing to: it isn’t security, but rather preventing people from getting in each other’s way (large signs, strollers, beach balls) I once again don’t see how that applies. I agree those items have nothing to do with security either.
- kube-system 10mo ago
  I'm not changing anything -- my root comment in this thread specifically mentioned "disturbances". Mitigating disturbances to the proceedings of an event is plainly a part of event security. The "threats" evaluated in event security are not solely to life and limb but also to the proceedings of the event itself. I didn't think this required elaboration; I thought most people would be familiar with this function of event security.
  - jtbayly 10mo ago
    It is obvious how a beach ball could’ve a disturbance. What precisely can I do with a pi that would cause a disturbance?
    - kube-system 10mo ago
      Any of the same infrared or RF shenanigans that are done with a flipper zero, and potentially mess with the equipment of organizers or media.
      - jtbayly 10mo ago
        So… basically cloning somebody’s keycard without them knowing could cause a disturbance… ok.
        kube-system 10mo ago
        LF keycards aren’t very common today.

borski 10mo ago

What’s more likely? That they were banned due to misunderstandings of what these devices are, or that they were banned they are “causing a disturbance”? Can you find an example of such a case? I’m not sure why this feels so important to defend. There are several definitions of security, but the most relevant (in this context) are: 1. the state of being protected against or safe from danger or threat. 2. the safety of a state or organization against criminal activity such as terrorism, theft, or espionage. 3. procedures followed or measures taken to ensure the safety of a state or organization. I fail to see how these devices fall into those definitions. I also don’t see how beach balls do either. So if your argument is changing to: it isn’t security, but rather preventing people from getting in each other’s way (large signs, strollers, beach balls) I once again don’t see how that applies. I agree those items have nothing to do with security either.

kube-system 10mo ago
I'm not changing anything -- my root comment in this thread specifically mentioned "disturbances". Mitigating disturbances to the proceedings of an event is plainly a part of event security. The "threats" evaluated in event security are not solely to life and limb but also to the proceedings of the event itself. I didn't think this required elaboration; I thought most people would be familiar with this function of event security.
- jtbayly 10mo ago
  It is obvious how a beach ball could’ve a disturbance. What precisely can I do with a pi that would cause a disturbance?
  - kube-system 10mo ago
    Any of the same infrared or RF shenanigans that are done with a flipper zero, and potentially mess with the equipment of organizers or media.
    - jtbayly 10mo ago
      So… basically cloning somebody’s keycard without them knowing could cause a disturbance… ok.
      - kube-system 10mo ago
        LF keycards aren’t very common today.