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How does such a waste of bandwidth even get 27 points? Is this site infested with feminists or what?

zachinglis 14y ago
So you think posts like this shouldn't be on HN, but comments like this should be? That's not the Hacker News I love. What a useless comment. If you actually read it, it's against over the top feminism.
- gruseom 14y ago
  So you think posts like this shouldn't be on HN, but comments like this should be? That's the best way of making that point that I've ever seen.
xionon 14y ago
How about some real criticism instead of just fear and anger at a woman expressing an opinion contrary to your own?
seraph787 14y ago
As a male feminist. I wouldn't even up vote this. She does point out why the article is stupid but I think most people would agree on that point already.
- zachinglis 14y ago
  You'd be surprised. A lot of people took the original post as gospel. Some because if they didn't, they'd be labelled against women. (It's a sort-of mob mentality.)
  - youngtaff 14y ago
    The original article in .net mag was really difficult to read, I gave up part way through. After reading Laura's post I went back to it but no still gave up part way through. The original author was on a hiding to nothing as I think it's really difficult for guys to well write about sexism
- D3 14y ago
  >As a male feminist. Say what? Shouldn't you be for equality rather than women's rights? Men are people too!
laurasanders 14y ago
Did you actually read the post? It's an argument AGAINST the .net article that argues that all women are constantly subjected to sexism in this industry
crntaylor 14y ago
Taking feminism to be broadly the belief that women and men should have equal social, political and economic rights, I would be very upset if the site wasn't infested with feminists.
- an_actual_man 14y ago
  You're describing egalitarianism, not feminism. When you see an article being advertised as "by an actual girl", you know it's not about equality.
  - AndrewDucker 14y ago
    "Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women."
    - an_actual_man 14y ago
      Wow, people still fall for that bullshit? Where did you take that from, jezebel?
    - papsosouid 14y ago
      The problem with that is that people's perception of what it means is more important than what is in a dictionary. Given the dictionary definition, one would have to assume 100% of women would be feminists. By the dictionary definition, it makes no sense for any women not to be a feminist. Yet 75% of women refuse to self-identify as feminists. The baggage that comes with the term has too much weight for the dictionary definition to matter any more.
      - Cushman 14y ago
        Think a little about what you're saying here. For example, the dictionary definition of atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. However, many religious people believe that atheism is a conscious rejection of an existing God, a deliberate embracing of evil, and that all atheists are intrinsically amoral or indeed immoral. This understanding is so common that most people who do not believe in a god refuse to self-identify as atheists, and those who do are reviled somewhat less than child molesters. My point here should be obvious: You're right. If you don't believe in God, you are an atheist. If you think your social rights should be independent of your genitals or gender identity, you are a feminist. But if you don't use the word to describe yourself (and that's forgivable), it's not because it has "baggage"-- it's because hateful organizations and individuals have been attacking the word as a proxy for attacking the concept, and it is working. We don't have to let them off the hook for this.
novalis 14y ago
I think this is living proof that throw away accounts should be dealt with on here. If someone really wants to participate, a good 6/12 hours cool down without posting privileges would do nicely. I don't think anyone wins anything on here with this sort of reddit novelty account phenomenon. It will not stop all trolling, just this sort of troll.
- an_actual_man 14y ago
  Poor thing, you actually have to read different opinions now! The horror, the horror.
- randallsquared 14y ago
  They're already green, so you know which ones to ignore if that's how you feel.
- corin_ 14y ago
  9 times out of 10 I agree with you, but HN is a rare site on which there are often genuine causes for a throwaway account, when people have good input to make on a thread but for work related reasons can't do it under a name that their colleagues/boss/etc. might recognise.

So you think posts like this shouldn't be on HN, but comments like this should be? That's not the Hacker News I love. What a useless comment. If you actually read it, it's against over the top feminism.

gruseom 14y ago
So you think posts like this shouldn't be on HN, but comments like this should be? That's the best way of making that point that I've ever seen.

xionon 14y ago

How about some real criticism instead of just fear and anger at a woman expressing an opinion contrary to your own?

seraph787 14y ago

As a male feminist. I wouldn't even up vote this. She does point out why the article is stupid but I think most people would agree on that point already.

zachinglis 14y ago
You'd be surprised. A lot of people took the original post as gospel. Some because if they didn't, they'd be labelled against women. (It's a sort-of mob mentality.)
- youngtaff 14y ago
  The original article in .net mag was really difficult to read, I gave up part way through. After reading Laura's post I went back to it but no still gave up part way through. The original author was on a hiding to nothing as I think it's really difficult for guys to well write about sexism
D3 14y ago
>As a male feminist. Say what? Shouldn't you be for equality rather than women's rights? Men are people too!

laurasanders 14y ago

Did you actually read the post? It's an argument AGAINST the .net article that argues that all women are constantly subjected to sexism in this industry

crntaylor 14y ago

Taking feminism to be broadly the belief that women and men should have equal social, political and economic rights, I would be very upset if the site wasn't infested with feminists.

an_actual_man 14y ago
You're describing egalitarianism, not feminism. When you see an article being advertised as "by an actual girl", you know it's not about equality.
- AndrewDucker 14y ago
  "Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, and social rights for women."
  - an_actual_man 14y ago
    Wow, people still fall for that bullshit? Where did you take that from, jezebel?
  - papsosouid 14y ago
    The problem with that is that people's perception of what it means is more important than what is in a dictionary. Given the dictionary definition, one would have to assume 100% of women would be feminists. By the dictionary definition, it makes no sense for any women not to be a feminist. Yet 75% of women refuse to self-identify as feminists. The baggage that comes with the term has too much weight for the dictionary definition to matter any more.
    - Cushman 14y ago
      Think a little about what you're saying here. For example, the dictionary definition of atheism is a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. However, many religious people believe that atheism is a conscious rejection of an existing God, a deliberate embracing of evil, and that all atheists are intrinsically amoral or indeed immoral. This understanding is so common that most people who do not believe in a god refuse to self-identify as atheists, and those who do are reviled somewhat less than child molesters. My point here should be obvious: You're right. If you don't believe in God, you are an atheist. If you think your social rights should be independent of your genitals or gender identity, you are a feminist. But if you don't use the word to describe yourself (and that's forgivable), it's not because it has "baggage"-- it's because hateful organizations and individuals have been attacking the word as a proxy for attacking the concept, and it is working. We don't have to let them off the hook for this.

novalis 14y ago

I think this is living proof that throw away accounts should be dealt with on here. If someone really wants to participate, a good 6/12 hours cool down without posting privileges would do nicely. I don't think anyone wins anything on here with this sort of reddit novelty account phenomenon. It will not stop all trolling, just this sort of troll.

an_actual_man 14y ago
Poor thing, you actually have to read different opinions now! The horror, the horror.
randallsquared 14y ago
They're already green, so you know which ones to ignore if that's how you feel.
corin_ 14y ago
9 times out of 10 I agree with you, but HN is a rare site on which there are often genuine causes for a throwaway account, when people have good input to make on a thread but for work related reasons can't do it under a name that their colleagues/boss/etc. might recognise.