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If you can have a nom de plume to speak truth to power, why can't one have a visage de plume as well? I want future generations to have the power of anonymity,

If you can have a nom de plume to speak truth to power, why can't one have a visage de plume as well? I want future generations to have the power of anonymity, that some use that anonmyity for something I disagree with is precisely why I think it might be worth preserving.

saubeidl 9mo ago
Because it takes power to do massive AI influence operations. It's not enabling speaking truth to power. It's letting the already powerful dictate the perception of truth.
- piglet_bear 9mo ago
  Whose the one deciding what the truth is?
  - saubeidl 9mo ago
    Definitely not foreign influence operators.
    - piglet_bear 9mo ago
      You're beating it around the bush not answering the question.
      - saubeidl 9mo ago
        I think a commission of experts, put into place (but not supervised) by the democratically elected government, with judicial review as check & balance seems like a good first draft, but governance isn't my expertise. Tbh the details don't really matter, what matters is that we ban this propaganda before it destroys us.
  - triceratops 9mo ago
    Not a green account on HN, that's for sure.
    - piglet_bear 9mo ago
      But what about ones with malicious comments breaking HN rules like yours?
_vertigo 9mo ago
There is a difference between hiding your identity for the purpose of privacy and for the purpose of deception. There’s a difference between writing anonymously and assuming a false identity.
- piglet_bear 9mo ago
  >assuming a false identity Whose identity is being faked? I always grew up with the assumption that everything on the internet is most likely fake. That girl you're talking to? Probably a dude. The Nigerian prince asking for money. Probably a scammer. Unless it's a government website with secure ID login, every account you see online is probably fake.
  - _vertigo 9mo ago
    If you invent a person and assume their identity, that's still a false identity. > I always grew up with the assumption that everything on the internet is most likely fake. How you interact with the internet is not really relevant to the discussion. The average person does not interact with the internet in the same way that people on this forum do, so that should not be the yardstick by which we judge this.
    - piglet_bear 9mo ago
      >assuming a false identity Is vertigo22 a real identity or a fake one? >The average person does not interact with the internet in the same way that people on this forum do How other "average" people (am I not average too?) choose to use the internet is irelevant to everyone needing to doxx themselves online from now on.

saubeidl 9mo ago

Because it takes power to do massive AI influence operations. It's not enabling speaking truth to power. It's letting the already powerful dictate the perception of truth.

piglet_bear 9mo ago
Whose the one deciding what the truth is?
- saubeidl 9mo ago
  Definitely not foreign influence operators.
  - piglet_bear 9mo ago
    You're beating it around the bush not answering the question.
    - saubeidl 9mo ago
      I think a commission of experts, put into place (but not supervised) by the democratically elected government, with judicial review as check & balance seems like a good first draft, but governance isn't my expertise. Tbh the details don't really matter, what matters is that we ban this propaganda before it destroys us.
- triceratops 9mo ago
  Not a green account on HN, that's for sure.
  - piglet_bear 9mo ago
    But what about ones with malicious comments breaking HN rules like yours?

_vertigo 9mo ago

There is a difference between hiding your identity for the purpose of privacy and for the purpose of deception. There’s a difference between writing anonymously and assuming a false identity.

piglet_bear 9mo ago
>assuming a false identity Whose identity is being faked? I always grew up with the assumption that everything on the internet is most likely fake. That girl you're talking to? Probably a dude. The Nigerian prince asking for money. Probably a scammer. Unless it's a government website with secure ID login, every account you see online is probably fake.
- _vertigo 9mo ago
  If you invent a person and assume their identity, that's still a false identity. > I always grew up with the assumption that everything on the internet is most likely fake. How you interact with the internet is not really relevant to the discussion. The average person does not interact with the internet in the same way that people on this forum do, so that should not be the yardstick by which we judge this.
  - piglet_bear 9mo ago
    >assuming a false identity Is vertigo22 a real identity or a fake one? >The average person does not interact with the internet in the same way that people on this forum do How other "average" people (am I not average too?) choose to use the internet is irelevant to everyone needing to doxx themselves online from now on.