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The small states aren’t going to become like China because nobody abroad will want to import their products that are artificially propped up by tariff barriers.

by pavlov 10mo ago

The small states aren’t going to become like China because nobody abroad will want to import their products that are artificially propped up by tariff barriers. It’s going to be more like 1980s Brazil joined at the hip to California and New York. Doesn’t sound like an obvious winning recipe.

fooker 10mo ago
> Doesn’t sound like an obvious winning recipe. I agree. However, hammering the message of "this would obviously never work" is harmful. Because if it does work, half the country is never going to listen to you again, and the situation is already well on its way there.
- UncleMeat 10mo ago
  This is outrageous. We can obviously call a spade a spade. The idea that we can never criticize any policy, no matter how ill conceived, because somehow it might work and then we'd have egg on our face is ridiculous. "Maybe the White House Ballroom construction project will unearth a huge deposit of gold and pay for itself so we cannot possibly talk about its cost." The claim that it is bad political strategy is also bizarre. Like, the right has been lying about policies from the dems for ages. "They are coming to force your child to transition to the other gender." Has this hindered their electoral chances? No. They have more power now than almost any time in the past fifty years.
  - fooker 10mo ago
    Okay, get outraged. Not sure about the strawman ballroom argument but: Let me repeat, shouting "stupid Trump is horrible for the economy" from rooftops is not a great political strategy. In the case it turns out to be false, (and there is a credible chance of that - read the article) it will seem incredibly dishonest.
    - nightski 10mo ago
      Trump can be bad for the economy and the economy can still be fine. The economy doing well doesn't mean Trump was good for the economy. At the end of the day the policies and actions that have been enacted have not been great tailwinds for the economy regardless of the outcome.

by pavlov 10mo ago

fooker 10mo ago

> Doesn’t sound like an obvious winning recipe. I agree. However, hammering the message of "this would obviously never work" is harmful. Because if it does work, half the country is never going to listen to you again, and the situation is already well on its way there.

UncleMeat 10mo ago
This is outrageous. We can obviously call a spade a spade. The idea that we can never criticize any policy, no matter how ill conceived, because somehow it might work and then we'd have egg on our face is ridiculous. "Maybe the White House Ballroom construction project will unearth a huge deposit of gold and pay for itself so we cannot possibly talk about its cost." The claim that it is bad political strategy is also bizarre. Like, the right has been lying about policies from the dems for ages. "They are coming to force your child to transition to the other gender." Has this hindered their electoral chances? No. They have more power now than almost any time in the past fifty years.
- fooker 10mo ago
  Okay, get outraged. Not sure about the strawman ballroom argument but: Let me repeat, shouting "stupid Trump is horrible for the economy" from rooftops is not a great political strategy. In the case it turns out to be false, (and there is a credible chance of that - read the article) it will seem incredibly dishonest.
  - nightski 10mo ago
    Trump can be bad for the economy and the economy can still be fine. The economy doing well doesn't mean Trump was good for the economy. At the end of the day the policies and actions that have been enacted have not been great tailwinds for the economy regardless of the outcome.