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Well of course, YouTube is someone sitting in front of the camera with no background noise and speaking calmly. In a movie the characters may be far away (so i

by redox99 10mo ago

Well of course, YouTube is someone sitting in front of the camera with no background noise and speaking calmly. In a movie the characters may be far away (so it needs to sound like that, not like a podcast), running, exhausted, with a plethora of background noises and so on.

red75prime 10mo ago
I can suspend my disbelief for the sake of clearly hearing a character who has something important to say.
watwut 10mo ago
In the real life, I can underastand exhausted people or dialog in a kitchen full of background noise. If we cant do the same in the movie, sound is just badly mixed. It is not the story setup and it is not "realistic".
- redox99 10mo ago
  > In the real life, I can underastand exhausted people or dialog in a kitchen full of background noise. Because in real life you don't listen through an internal TV speaker, duh.
  - watwut 10mo ago
    These are hard to impossible to understand with basically any normal TV setup. That being said, people listening to TV through TV is 100% predictable. If we cant understand, the mix is not "realistic", it is "badly done".
tuetuopay 10mo ago
That would be true, except even in calm scenes in movies it's an issue. Unless I turn the volume high enough, in which case music and sfx become neighbor-waking loud. To be clear: I'm not talking about scenes where characters speak over an explosion. The overall mix does not allow having the same volume for all scenes of the movie, pick your poison: wake the neighbors or don't understand dialogues. Somehow youtube videos don't have this issue. Go figure /s
- redox99 10mo ago
  It's the same idea, a narrated youtube video is meant to have the same volume throughout, while a movie is meant to have quiet and loud parts. The problem, as you say, is that if you don't want to have loud parts, you lower the volume so that loud is not loud anymore, and then the quiet but audible parts become inaudibly quiet. I consider this to be a separate issue to the lack of clarity of internal speakers, and a bit harder to solve because it stems from the paper thin walls common in the US and other places. You can usually use audio compression to fix this if you can't play the movie at the volume level it's meant to be played.
  - epistasis 10mo ago
    That the entire problem is intentional does not make it any less of a defect. Intentionally making audio uncomfortable is not a sign of art or skill, it's a sign of delivering a bad product.
    - redox99 10mo ago
      The audio is not uncomfortable, 75 dB is a reasonable calibration level for a home setup (your average scene will be much quieter). 75 dB in real life is your typical restaurant, office, etc.
      - epistasis 10mo ago
        Did you mean to reply to a different comment? What does calibration or 75 dB have to do with anything I said? The most common experience on the poorly mixed content that several in this thread are complaining about are: the volume setting necessary for intelligible audio results in uncomfortably loud audio in other parts. This is a defect of the content, not of the system it's playing on.

by redox99 10mo ago

red75prime 10mo ago

I can suspend my disbelief for the sake of clearly hearing a character who has something important to say.

watwut 10mo ago

In the real life, I can underastand exhausted people or dialog in a kitchen full of background noise. If we cant do the same in the movie, sound is just badly mixed. It is not the story setup and it is not "realistic".

redox99 10mo ago
> In the real life, I can underastand exhausted people or dialog in a kitchen full of background noise. Because in real life you don't listen through an internal TV speaker, duh.
- watwut 10mo ago
  These are hard to impossible to understand with basically any normal TV setup. That being said, people listening to TV through TV is 100% predictable. If we cant understand, the mix is not "realistic", it is "badly done".

tuetuopay 10mo ago

That would be true, except even in calm scenes in movies it's an issue. Unless I turn the volume high enough, in which case music and sfx become neighbor-waking loud. To be clear: I'm not talking about scenes where characters speak over an explosion. The overall mix does not allow having the same volume for all scenes of the movie, pick your poison: wake the neighbors or don't understand dialogues. Somehow youtube videos don't have this issue. Go figure /s

redox99 10mo ago
It's the same idea, a narrated youtube video is meant to have the same volume throughout, while a movie is meant to have quiet and loud parts. The problem, as you say, is that if you don't want to have loud parts, you lower the volume so that loud is not loud anymore, and then the quiet but audible parts become inaudibly quiet. I consider this to be a separate issue to the lack of clarity of internal speakers, and a bit harder to solve because it stems from the paper thin walls common in the US and other places. You can usually use audio compression to fix this if you can't play the movie at the volume level it's meant to be played.
- epistasis 10mo ago
  That the entire problem is intentional does not make it any less of a defect. Intentionally making audio uncomfortable is not a sign of art or skill, it's a sign of delivering a bad product.
  - redox99 10mo ago
    The audio is not uncomfortable, 75 dB is a reasonable calibration level for a home setup (your average scene will be much quieter). 75 dB in real life is your typical restaurant, office, etc.
    - epistasis 10mo ago
      Did you mean to reply to a different comment? What does calibration or 75 dB have to do with anything I said? The most common experience on the poorly mixed content that several in this thread are complaining about are: the volume setting necessary for intelligible audio results in uncomfortably loud audio in other parts. This is a defect of the content, not of the system it's playing on.