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I loath Musk and will never buy a Tesla, but your criticisms are strange. I don't want a HUD. I don't want new features. I want as basic a car as possible that

I loath Musk and will never buy a Tesla, but your criticisms are strange. I don't want a HUD. I don't want new features. I want as basic a car as possible that goes forward when I press the gas and stops when I press the brakes. I had a 2007 Honda Fit which I still regret getting rid of. I have a new Honda and every single new feature (except for displaying the speed limit, which has it's own problems) is useless at best and dangerous and distracting at worse.

monooso 10mo ago
> I want as basic a car as possible that goes forward when I press the gas and stops when I press the brakes. GP was talking about HUD and "new features" in the context of a $60k car. Presumably your desired "basic car" would cost considerably less.
- thinkingtoilet 10mo ago
  What "new features" are we talking about? What else do you need in a car? Do you complain about "new features" in an expensive bottle of whiskey? Or a nice computer? No, you want the basics done really well and made with the highest of quality.
  - eichin 10mo ago
    When I went from a 2006 mini to a 2021 polestar 2, there were a bunch of things that were either "up in class" or "15 years makes things better" - traction control, non-invasive lane-assist (with invasive options), per-driver (per-keyfob really) seat adjustment memory, charge-aware navigation, radar cruise-control, 360° camera fusion, headlight washers, kick-to-open trunk, interior pre-warm (including seats, as a software upgrade), smart (camera-based) auto-dim of high beams, mirror-retract when parked, mirror tilt when backing up, retractable trailer hitch... little of this is structural, it's just an accumulation of details and attention paid to them.
    - neogodless 10mo ago
      And a few downgrades (if my 2023 Polestar 2 is an indication) * Wait 60 seconds to start using the GPS / nav to become responsive * Unreliable backup camera (even after several software "fixes") * No buttons or knobs for climate control * No way to disable intrusive line detection that makes car vibrate when you get close to yellow and white lines * Overzealous auto-dim of high beams (our 2023 Mazda CX-5 is significantly better with almost no false positives) It's not all bad, and once the infotainment warms up, it's plenty responsive. It's certainly a luxury car though (as an admitted Mazda fan) you can get a lot of nice from a $30k Mazda.
Loughla 10mo ago
I'm with the other poster. You're comparing apples to oranges in a 20k vs 60k car. I assume people spending that much on vehicles do want the fancy electronics.
- bdangubic 10mo ago
  20k cars do not exist any longer :)
  - thinkingtoilet 10mo ago
    lol. My resposne was going to be, find me a car for $20k.
    - bdangubic 10mo ago
      better chance finding Waldo

monooso 10mo ago

> I want as basic a car as possible that goes forward when I press the gas and stops when I press the brakes. GP was talking about HUD and "new features" in the context of a $60k car. Presumably your desired "basic car" would cost considerably less.

thinkingtoilet 10mo ago
What "new features" are we talking about? What else do you need in a car? Do you complain about "new features" in an expensive bottle of whiskey? Or a nice computer? No, you want the basics done really well and made with the highest of quality.
- eichin 10mo ago
  When I went from a 2006 mini to a 2021 polestar 2, there were a bunch of things that were either "up in class" or "15 years makes things better" - traction control, non-invasive lane-assist (with invasive options), per-driver (per-keyfob really) seat adjustment memory, charge-aware navigation, radar cruise-control, 360° camera fusion, headlight washers, kick-to-open trunk, interior pre-warm (including seats, as a software upgrade), smart (camera-based) auto-dim of high beams, mirror-retract when parked, mirror tilt when backing up, retractable trailer hitch... little of this is structural, it's just an accumulation of details and attention paid to them.
  - neogodless 10mo ago
    And a few downgrades (if my 2023 Polestar 2 is an indication) * Wait 60 seconds to start using the GPS / nav to become responsive * Unreliable backup camera (even after several software "fixes") * No buttons or knobs for climate control * No way to disable intrusive line detection that makes car vibrate when you get close to yellow and white lines * Overzealous auto-dim of high beams (our 2023 Mazda CX-5 is significantly better with almost no false positives) It's not all bad, and once the infotainment warms up, it's plenty responsive. It's certainly a luxury car though (as an admitted Mazda fan) you can get a lot of nice from a $30k Mazda.

Loughla 10mo ago

I'm with the other poster. You're comparing apples to oranges in a 20k vs 60k car. I assume people spending that much on vehicles do want the fancy electronics.

bdangubic 10mo ago
20k cars do not exist any longer :)
- thinkingtoilet 10mo ago
  lol. My resposne was going to be, find me a car for $20k.
  - bdangubic 10mo ago
    better chance finding Waldo