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> unless they're Russia-related somehow this is doing a lot of work. at what point person stops being Russia related in your view?

embedding-shape 10mo ago
Having no ties to businesses or individuals located in Russia. Like myself and countless of others.
- throwaway290 10mo ago
  > have ties This is doing a lot of work. at what point person starts or stops having ties with russia? if you have any siblings or parents or grandparents or cousins or classmates or ex girlfriends who are living in Russia? I know a bunch of foreigners with stronger ties to Russia than some of my Russian friends by this logic my friend;) especially Ukrainians and Israelis but really anywhere in the world. debank them all you say? What it sounds like is the old USSR way "make sure most people are guilty of something so that if you want to press them you always have some excuse"
  - embedding-shape 10mo ago
    Not sure what your point is, I'm not arguing for debanking anyone related or having ties to Russia, in any way. But I do understand there are victims of other circumstances here, and that has a collateral victims (which again, I don't want, but it is the reality). You're arguing against a point no one here made.
    - throwaway290 10mo ago
      Remember you are replying to > We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. I asked some questions to see how solid your reply was. seems not very. you basically say nah, no one is losing freedom, people are only sanctioned if they have this > Nor have I heard anyone being sanctioned by the US in the EU unless they're Russia-related somehow means you heard of ppl are arbitrarily sanctioned unless there is a specific criteria for what means Russia related
- fpoling 10mo ago
  EU paid Russia since the full scale Russian aggression more money for gas, oil, coal etc. than to support Ukraine. By that logic almost all EU citizens has ties to Russia as they use electricity/gas partially supplied by Russia.
  - mopsi 10mo ago
    The largest buyer is Hungary, which is not representative of the EU in general to put it mildly, but a darling of the American far-right. Hungary has also been blocking many of EU's support initiatives: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ministers-outrageous-hungary-blocks-military-aid-arms-ukraine/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ministers-outrageous-hung...
    - throwaway290 10mo ago
      Hungary reexports Russian gas to some other European countries though...
throw-the-towel 10mo ago
GP's view doesn't matter. What does matter is the bank's view, and banks tend to be as cautious as they can be.
- throwaway290 10mo ago
  obviously I meant what in GPs view it is in bank's eyes.
strobe 10mo ago
From what I heard, even if a person is an EU citizen and does not have dual citizenship but was born in some ex-USSR/CIS countries. For example, if they migrated with their parents at the age of 1y, they will always be considered a higher-risk client by EU banks and will always be under some suspicion. So if that true is not possible to stop being related at least fully.

embedding-shape 10mo ago

Having no ties to businesses or individuals located in Russia. Like myself and countless of others.

throwaway290 10mo ago
> have ties This is doing a lot of work. at what point person starts or stops having ties with russia? if you have any siblings or parents or grandparents or cousins or classmates or ex girlfriends who are living in Russia? I know a bunch of foreigners with stronger ties to Russia than some of my Russian friends by this logic my friend;) especially Ukrainians and Israelis but really anywhere in the world. debank them all you say? What it sounds like is the old USSR way "make sure most people are guilty of something so that if you want to press them you always have some excuse"
- embedding-shape 10mo ago
  Not sure what your point is, I'm not arguing for debanking anyone related or having ties to Russia, in any way. But I do understand there are victims of other circumstances here, and that has a collateral victims (which again, I don't want, but it is the reality). You're arguing against a point no one here made.
  - throwaway290 10mo ago
    Remember you are replying to > We are rapidly losing our freedoms to the will of these companies. If they decide they don't want to they can even if the law doesn't forbid it. I asked some questions to see how solid your reply was. seems not very. you basically say nah, no one is losing freedom, people are only sanctioned if they have this > Nor have I heard anyone being sanctioned by the US in the EU unless they're Russia-related somehow means you heard of ppl are arbitrarily sanctioned unless there is a specific criteria for what means Russia related
fpoling 10mo ago
EU paid Russia since the full scale Russian aggression more money for gas, oil, coal etc. than to support Ukraine. By that logic almost all EU citizens has ties to Russia as they use electricity/gas partially supplied by Russia.
- mopsi 10mo ago
  The largest buyer is Hungary, which is not representative of the EU in general to put it mildly, but a darling of the American far-right. Hungary has also been blocking many of EU's support initiatives: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ministers-outrageous-hungary-blocks-military-aid-arms-ukraine/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-ministers-outrageous-hung...
  - throwaway290 10mo ago
    Hungary reexports Russian gas to some other European countries though...

throw-the-towel 10mo ago

GP's view doesn't matter. What does matter is the bank's view, and banks tend to be as cautious as they can be.

throwaway290 10mo ago
obviously I meant what in GPs view it is in bank's eyes.

strobe 10mo ago

From what I heard, even if a person is an EU citizen and does not have dual citizenship but was born in some ex-USSR/CIS countries. For example, if they migrated with their parents at the age of 1y, they will always be considered a higher-risk client by EU banks and will always be under some suspicion. So if that true is not possible to stop being related at least fully.