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I'm the opposite, I find it straight forward to use all these things, and am surprised people aren't getting it. I've been trying to write blogs explaining it

I'm the opposite, I find it straight forward to use all these things, and am surprised people aren't getting it. I've been trying to write blogs explaining it recently, but I don't think I'm very good at making it sound interesting to people. What can I explain that you would be interested in? Here was my latest attempt today. https://vexjoy.com/posts/everything-that-can-be-deterministic-should-be-my-claude-code-setup/ https://vexjoy.com/posts/everything-that-can-be-deterministi...

majormajor 10mo ago
You say "My Claude Code Setup" but where is the actual setup there? I generally agree with everything about how LLMs should be called you say, but I don't see any concrete steps of changing Claude Code's settings in there? Where are the "35 agents. 68 skills. 234MB of context."? Is the implementation of the "Layer 4" programs intended to be left to the reader? That's hardly approachable.
- AndyNemmity 10mo ago
  I got similar feedback with my first blog post on my do router - https://vexjoy.com/posts/the-do-router/ https://vexjoy.com/posts/the-do-router/ Here is what I don't get. it's trivial to do this. Mine is of course customized to me and what I do. The idea is to communicate the ideas, so you can use them in your own setup. It's trivial to put for example, my do router blog post in claude code and generate one customized for you. So what does it matter to see my exact version? These are the type of things I don't get. If I give you my details, it's less approachable for sure. The most approachable thing I could do would be to release individual skills. Like I have skills for generating images with google nano banana. That would be approachable and easy. But it doesn't communicate the why. I'm trying to communicate the why.
  - majormajor 10mo ago
    I just don't have much faith in "if you're doing it right the results will be magically better than what you get otherwise" anymore. Any single person saying "the problems you run into with using LLMs will be solved if you do it my way" has to really wow me if they want me to put in effort on their tips. I generally agree with your why of why you set up like that. I'm skeptical that it will get over the hump of where I still run into issues. When you've tried 10 ways of doing it but they all end up getting into a "feed the error back into the LLM and see what it suggests next" you aren't that motivated to put that much effort into trying out an 11th. The current state of things is extremely useful for a lot of things already.
    - AndyNemmity 10mo ago
      That's completely fair, I also don't have much faith in that anymore. Very often, the people who make those claims have the most basic implementation that barely is one. I'm not sure if the problems you run into with using LLMs will be solved if you do it my way. My problems are solved doing it my way. If I heard more about your problems, I would have a specific answer to them. These are the solutions to where I have run into issues. For sure, but my solutions are not feed the error back into the LLM. My solutions are varied, but as the blog shows, they are move as much as possible into scripts, and deterministic solutions, and keep the LLM to the smallest possible scope. The current state of things is extremely useful for a subset of things. That subset of things feels small to me. But it may be every thing a certain person wants to do exists in that subset of things. It just depends. We're all doing radically different things, and trying very different things. I certainly understand and appreciate your perspective.
      - ok_dad 10mo ago
        Damn, it really is all just vibes eh? Everyone just vibes their way to coding these days, no proof AI is actually doing anything for you. It's basically just how someone feels now: that's reality. In some sense, computers and digital things have now just become a part of reality, blending in by force.
        AndyNemmity 10mo ago
        I mean, it’s not vibes. I make real projects, and the failures of AI doing it force me to make fixes so that it only ever fails doing that thing once. Then it no longer fails to do that thing. But the things I am doing might not be the things you are doing. If you want proof, I intend to release a game to the App Store and steam soon. At that point you can judge if it built a thing adequately.
        ok_dad 10mo ago
        No offense intended, I don't even know you at all, but I see people claim things like you did so often these days that I begin to question reality. These claims always have some big disclaimer, as yours does. I still don't know a single personal acquaintance who has claimed even a 2x improvement on general coding efficiency, not even 1.5x in general efficiency. Some of my coworkers say AI is good for this or that, but I literally just waste my time and money when I use it, I've never gotten good results or even adequate results to continue trying. I feel like I am taking crazy pills sometimes with all of the hype! I hope you're just one of the ones who figured it out early and all the hype isn't fake bullshit. I'd much rather be proven wrong than for humanity to have wasted all this time and resources.

majormajor 10mo ago

You say "My Claude Code Setup" but where is the actual setup there? I generally agree with everything about how LLMs should be called you say, but I don't see any concrete steps of changing Claude Code's settings in there? Where are the "35 agents. 68 skills. 234MB of context."? Is the implementation of the "Layer 4" programs intended to be left to the reader? That's hardly approachable.

AndyNemmity 10mo ago
I got similar feedback with my first blog post on my do router - https://vexjoy.com/posts/the-do-router/ https://vexjoy.com/posts/the-do-router/ Here is what I don't get. it's trivial to do this. Mine is of course customized to me and what I do. The idea is to communicate the ideas, so you can use them in your own setup. It's trivial to put for example, my do router blog post in claude code and generate one customized for you. So what does it matter to see my exact version? These are the type of things I don't get. If I give you my details, it's less approachable for sure. The most approachable thing I could do would be to release individual skills. Like I have skills for generating images with google nano banana. That would be approachable and easy. But it doesn't communicate the why. I'm trying to communicate the why.
- majormajor 10mo ago
  I just don't have much faith in "if you're doing it right the results will be magically better than what you get otherwise" anymore. Any single person saying "the problems you run into with using LLMs will be solved if you do it my way" has to really wow me if they want me to put in effort on their tips. I generally agree with your why of why you set up like that. I'm skeptical that it will get over the hump of where I still run into issues. When you've tried 10 ways of doing it but they all end up getting into a "feed the error back into the LLM and see what it suggests next" you aren't that motivated to put that much effort into trying out an 11th. The current state of things is extremely useful for a lot of things already.
  - AndyNemmity 10mo ago
    That's completely fair, I also don't have much faith in that anymore. Very often, the people who make those claims have the most basic implementation that barely is one. I'm not sure if the problems you run into with using LLMs will be solved if you do it my way. My problems are solved doing it my way. If I heard more about your problems, I would have a specific answer to them. These are the solutions to where I have run into issues. For sure, but my solutions are not feed the error back into the LLM. My solutions are varied, but as the blog shows, they are move as much as possible into scripts, and deterministic solutions, and keep the LLM to the smallest possible scope. The current state of things is extremely useful for a subset of things. That subset of things feels small to me. But it may be every thing a certain person wants to do exists in that subset of things. It just depends. We're all doing radically different things, and trying very different things. I certainly understand and appreciate your perspective.
    - ok_dad 10mo ago
      Damn, it really is all just vibes eh? Everyone just vibes their way to coding these days, no proof AI is actually doing anything for you. It's basically just how someone feels now: that's reality. In some sense, computers and digital things have now just become a part of reality, blending in by force.
      - AndyNemmity 10mo ago
        I mean, it’s not vibes. I make real projects, and the failures of AI doing it force me to make fixes so that it only ever fails doing that thing once. Then it no longer fails to do that thing. But the things I am doing might not be the things you are doing. If you want proof, I intend to release a game to the App Store and steam soon. At that point you can judge if it built a thing adequately.
        ok_dad 10mo ago
        No offense intended, I don't even know you at all, but I see people claim things like you did so often these days that I begin to question reality. These claims always have some big disclaimer, as yours does. I still don't know a single personal acquaintance who has claimed even a 2x improvement on general coding efficiency, not even 1.5x in general efficiency. Some of my coworkers say AI is good for this or that, but I literally just waste my time and money when I use it, I've never gotten good results or even adequate results to continue trying. I feel like I am taking crazy pills sometimes with all of the hype! I hope you're just one of the ones who figured it out early and all the hype isn't fake bullshit. I'd much rather be proven wrong than for humanity to have wasted all this time and resources.