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In Germany you can receive a suspended sentence for raping a minor and then an actual jail sentence for insulting the rapist. I’ve seen similar outrageous arre

In Germany you can receive a suspended sentence for raping a minor and then an actual jail sentence for insulting the rapist. I’ve seen similar outrageous arrests for mean tweets in the UK. Europe has lost its mind about right and wrong.

lukan 10mo ago
I am german and live here, but am not aware of such rulings. Please provide sources.
- aljgz 10mo ago
  As upvotes are not visible, I also ask for a few occurrences of this.
- antonymoose 10mo ago
  The “Maja R” case would be a good start.
  - lukan 10mo ago
    Threats of violence, not insults.
- sanskritical 10mo ago
  Because this thread started in a discussion about the United Kingdom, I think it is relevant to cite how this exact scenario did happen in the United Kingdom. https://www.facebook.com/piersmorganuncensored/videos/elizabeth-kinney-the-mum-who-was-arrested-for-using-a-slur-word-in-private-text-/25218375061188976/ https://www.facebook.com/piersmorganuncensored/videos/elizab... Elizabeth Kinney was arrested for a homophobic slur used privately in a text message to a third party -- not even a public comment -- against a man who physically beat her. The man served no jail time for beating her.
  - santoshalper 10mo ago
    Do you have a credible source?
    - sanskritical 10mo ago
      IBTimes: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/terrified-naked-mum-four-arrested-after-texts-branded-hate-speech-1759907 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/terrified-naked-mum-four-arrested-... Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15302729/Assault-victim-convicted-homophobic-hate-crime.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15302729/Assault-vi... The Sun: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37356128/mum-convicted-hate-crime-text-attacker/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37356128/mum-convicted-hate-cr... MSN: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/crime/general/terrified-and-naked-mum-of-four-arrested-after-texts-branded-hate-speech/ar-AA1RC2ta https://www.msn.com/en-gb/crime/general/terrified-and-naked-... Inkl: https://www.inkl.com/news/terrified-and-naked-mum-of-four-arrested-after-texts-branded-hate-speech https://www.inkl.com/news/terrified-and-naked-mum-of-four-ar... Revolver News: https://revolver.news/2025/12/uk-mother-arrested-faced-10-years-for-insulting-faggot-who-attacked-her/ https://revolver.news/2025/12/uk-mother-arrested-faced-10-ye...
      - daveguy 10mo ago
        So, no.
        sanskritical 10mo ago
        At this point, assertions such as these are a form of ad hominem fallacy against half of society. You are discrediting the multitude of sources who have covered this story because of the nature of the speaker while no hardline liberal outlets have covered this story at all and presented a counterargument. If you want to have an alternative narrative, you need to link a major outlet showing her to be a liar. The case has been presented to the public. You don't like the people presenting the case. That doesn't invalidate the case. You must, at this point, present a member of your team making a reasonable, evidenced based deconstruction of her claims. The fact that there isn't any coverage from your side at all of this incredibly well televised and written embarrassment for the legitimacy of crown prosecutors speaks volumes. The UK is extremely litigious in regards to libel. Her lying would be an act of public libel against the crown prosecutor. She went on TV to talk about it. It's been well covered in everything from the IB Times to The Sun to the Daily Mail (as linked above), as well as fully televised on Piers Morgan. Naturally the team you obviously root for can just refuse to cover any prosecutions which are embarrassing for them and you can simply smugly say "well it's not in any source I personally recognize as valid so it didn't happen."
- vluft 10mo ago
  Maja R.
- samuel 10mo ago
  Is this source trustable? (I have no idea, I'm not german) https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/kriminalitaet/article252178370/Vergewaltigung-Frau-muss-wegen-Hasskommentar-in-Arrest-Verurteilter-bleibt-frei.html https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/kriminalitaet/article2521783...
  - lukan 10mo ago
    The source is somewhat trustable mainstream but not really good, as already the headline is wrong. The other person was not jailed for insults against the rapists, but threats of violence. And that is a attack on the state monopol of violence itself, hence the harsh sentence. But indeed, the rulings against the rapists don't seem allright and very much out of balance with the other sentence.
    - phkx 10mo ago
      It appears that the ruling regarding the rapes was not so straight forward [1], certainly not something that you can use as a one-line argument. There are also other articles describing what presumably happened there in 2020. Regarding the case of 'Maja R.', here's a summary [2] (e.g. she didn't show up for the first two hearings [3] - that would certainly raise the anger of the righteous if somebody not in their favor did that). I'm in doubt whether this one case is sufficient to prove the downward spiral that some people claim to perceive (it was also brought up in context of migration here on HN recently, and from the sources which I could find I‘m not sure it fully qualifies there either). [1]: https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/details-aus-dem-prozess-darum-kamen-acht-stadtpark-vergewaltiger-mit-bewaehrung-davon/ https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/details-aus-dem-prozess-darum-ka... [2]: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/57113 https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/57113 [3]: https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/ehrloses-vergewaltigerschwein-20-jaehrige-nach-hetze-gegen-mann-verurteilt/ https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/ehrloses-vergewaltigerschwein-20...
- peterhadlaw 10mo ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc
Der_Einzige 10mo ago
re: "Europe has lots its mind about right and wrong", at least the majority of europoors don't mutilate their baby boys at birth. Until US circumcision rates are below 30% of male babies, the US has literally no moral high ground what-so-ever.

lukan 10mo ago

I am german and live here, but am not aware of such rulings. Please provide sources.

aljgz 10mo ago
As upvotes are not visible, I also ask for a few occurrences of this.
antonymoose 10mo ago
The “Maja R” case would be a good start.
- lukan 10mo ago
  Threats of violence, not insults.
sanskritical 10mo ago
Because this thread started in a discussion about the United Kingdom, I think it is relevant to cite how this exact scenario did happen in the United Kingdom. https://www.facebook.com/piersmorganuncensored/videos/elizabeth-kinney-the-mum-who-was-arrested-for-using-a-slur-word-in-private-text-/25218375061188976/ https://www.facebook.com/piersmorganuncensored/videos/elizab... Elizabeth Kinney was arrested for a homophobic slur used privately in a text message to a third party -- not even a public comment -- against a man who physically beat her. The man served no jail time for beating her.
- santoshalper 10mo ago
  Do you have a credible source?
  - sanskritical 10mo ago
    IBTimes: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/terrified-naked-mum-four-arrested-after-texts-branded-hate-speech-1759907 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/terrified-naked-mum-four-arrested-... Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15302729/Assault-victim-convicted-homophobic-hate-crime.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15302729/Assault-vi... The Sun: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37356128/mum-convicted-hate-crime-text-attacker/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37356128/mum-convicted-hate-cr... MSN: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/crime/general/terrified-and-naked-mum-of-four-arrested-after-texts-branded-hate-speech/ar-AA1RC2ta https://www.msn.com/en-gb/crime/general/terrified-and-naked-... Inkl: https://www.inkl.com/news/terrified-and-naked-mum-of-four-arrested-after-texts-branded-hate-speech https://www.inkl.com/news/terrified-and-naked-mum-of-four-ar... Revolver News: https://revolver.news/2025/12/uk-mother-arrested-faced-10-years-for-insulting-faggot-who-attacked-her/ https://revolver.news/2025/12/uk-mother-arrested-faced-10-ye...
    - daveguy 10mo ago
      So, no.
      - sanskritical 10mo ago
        At this point, assertions such as these are a form of ad hominem fallacy against half of society. You are discrediting the multitude of sources who have covered this story because of the nature of the speaker while no hardline liberal outlets have covered this story at all and presented a counterargument. If you want to have an alternative narrative, you need to link a major outlet showing her to be a liar. The case has been presented to the public. You don't like the people presenting the case. That doesn't invalidate the case. You must, at this point, present a member of your team making a reasonable, evidenced based deconstruction of her claims. The fact that there isn't any coverage from your side at all of this incredibly well televised and written embarrassment for the legitimacy of crown prosecutors speaks volumes. The UK is extremely litigious in regards to libel. Her lying would be an act of public libel against the crown prosecutor. She went on TV to talk about it. It's been well covered in everything from the IB Times to The Sun to the Daily Mail (as linked above), as well as fully televised on Piers Morgan. Naturally the team you obviously root for can just refuse to cover any prosecutions which are embarrassing for them and you can simply smugly say "well it's not in any source I personally recognize as valid so it didn't happen."
vluft 10mo ago
Maja R.
samuel 10mo ago
Is this source trustable? (I have no idea, I'm not german) https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/kriminalitaet/article252178370/Vergewaltigung-Frau-muss-wegen-Hasskommentar-in-Arrest-Verurteilter-bleibt-frei.html https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/kriminalitaet/article2521783...
- lukan 10mo ago
  The source is somewhat trustable mainstream but not really good, as already the headline is wrong. The other person was not jailed for insults against the rapists, but threats of violence. And that is a attack on the state monopol of violence itself, hence the harsh sentence. But indeed, the rulings against the rapists don't seem allright and very much out of balance with the other sentence.
  - phkx 10mo ago
    It appears that the ruling regarding the rapes was not so straight forward [1], certainly not something that you can use as a one-line argument. There are also other articles describing what presumably happened there in 2020. Regarding the case of 'Maja R.', here's a summary [2] (e.g. she didn't show up for the first two hearings [3] - that would certainly raise the anger of the righteous if somebody not in their favor did that). I'm in doubt whether this one case is sufficient to prove the downward spiral that some people claim to perceive (it was also brought up in context of migration here on HN recently, and from the sources which I could find I‘m not sure it fully qualifies there either). [1]: https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/details-aus-dem-prozess-darum-kamen-acht-stadtpark-vergewaltiger-mit-bewaehrung-davon/ https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/details-aus-dem-prozess-darum-ka... [2]: https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/57113 https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/57113 [3]: https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/ehrloses-vergewaltigerschwein-20-jaehrige-nach-hetze-gegen-mann-verurteilt/ https://www.mopo.de/hamburg/ehrloses-vergewaltigerschwein-20...
peterhadlaw 10mo ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bMzFDpfDwc

Der_Einzige 10mo ago

re: "Europe has lots its mind about right and wrong", at least the majority of europoors don't mutilate their baby boys at birth. Until US circumcision rates are below 30% of male babies, the US has literally no moral high ground what-so-ever.