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Talking about this, I am still sad Flash got removed from the web. Nothing to replace it with to afaik.

by prox 9mo ago

alex_duf 9mo ago
Really? Flash had been such an absolute pain for me for years, I was so happy when my bank stopped using it so I could uninstall the heck out of it.
DemocracyFTW2 9mo ago
Good riddance. I once had the honor of being featured together with many other artist on an HP website. It was implemented in Flash though, meaning it existed as a smallish rectangle in the middle of a website; within that rectangle you could click through to browse the exhibition one artwork at a time. This entailed that your path through the Flash app was not connected to the browser's address bar and exhibits did not get a URL of their own. When you wanted to direct others to your piece the only way was by giving them a "Japanese visitor's address", as in "go to this well-known named point (the domain name), from there walk west and when you see a tall black building, turn right and take the third alley to your left, I'm living in the fifth house down that alley". Plenty to replace it with to afaik.
drowntoge 9mo ago
Although Flash really sucked as a technology, it did inspire a lot of visual artistry on the web. Half of the cool stuff you saw on StumbleUpon was made with Flash by people who weren't proficient with JS/CSS, which weren’t capable enough to achieve the same results anyway.
tombert 9mo ago
I stand by that Flash was the most fun way to write software, especially games. It was so satisfying being able to animate something, and immediately have the ability to create code out if it. I have not found a platform to replace that, though GameMaker gives something of a facsimile.
- robertoandred 9mo ago
  Just keep using Flash? It's called Animate now. https://www.adobe.com/products/animate.html https://www.adobe.com/products/animate.html
  - tombert 9mo ago
    I know, but since there’s not a great way to deploy and share stuff it’s not the same. Yes I know about Ruffle, but I don’t really want to make a retro game that targets an emulator, I want something that’s consistently updated. Also Animates pricing model is bullshit.
    - deleted 9mo ago
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    - robertoandred 9mo ago
      You can export it as HTML/CSS/JS and upload it somewhere.
      - tombert 9mo ago
        I haven’t tried that lately but when I tried that a few years ago it was terrible.
pverheggen 9mo ago
Well technically you can still use Flash via Ruffle, a WebAssembly-based emulator: https://ruffle.rs/ https://ruffle.rs/ Sites like Kongregate amd albinoblacksheep are using it to revive their old catalog.
socalgal2 9mo ago
Flash was fun but it was never built for being responsive and handling desktop and mobile in one app. Everything was basically fixed layout. Adding in that responsiveness would have probably killed the "easy" part.

Talking about this, I am still sad Flash got removed from the web. Nothing to replace it with to afaik.

by prox 9mo ago

Talking about this, I am still sad Flash got removed from the web. Nothing to replace it with to afaik.

Really? Flash had been such an absolute pain for me for years, I was so happy when my bank stopped using it so I could uninstall the heck out of it.

DemocracyFTW2 9mo ago

Good riddance. I once had the honor of being featured together with many other artist on an HP website. It was implemented in Flash though, meaning it existed as a smallish rectangle in the middle of a website; within that rectangle you could click through to browse the exhibition one artwork at a time. This entailed that your path through the Flash app was not connected to the browser's address bar and exhibits did not get a URL of their own. When you wanted to direct others to your piece the only way was by giving them a "Japanese visitor's address", as in "go to this well-known named point (the domain name), from there walk west and when you see a tall black building, turn right and take the third alley to your left, I'm living in the fifth house down that alley". Plenty to replace it with to afaik.

drowntoge 9mo ago

Although Flash really sucked as a technology, it did inspire a lot of visual artistry on the web. Half of the cool stuff you saw on StumbleUpon was made with Flash by people who weren't proficient with JS/CSS, which weren’t capable enough to achieve the same results anyway.

tombert 9mo ago

I stand by that Flash was the most fun way to write software, especially games. It was so satisfying being able to animate something, and immediately have the ability to create code out if it. I have not found a platform to replace that, though GameMaker gives something of a facsimile.

robertoandred 9mo ago
Just keep using Flash? It's called Animate now. https://www.adobe.com/products/animate.html https://www.adobe.com/products/animate.html
- tombert 9mo ago
  I know, but since there’s not a great way to deploy and share stuff it’s not the same. Yes I know about Ruffle, but I don’t really want to make a retro game that targets an emulator, I want something that’s consistently updated. Also Animates pricing model is bullshit.
  - deleted 9mo ago
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  - robertoandred 9mo ago
    You can export it as HTML/CSS/JS and upload it somewhere.
    - tombert 9mo ago
      I haven’t tried that lately but when I tried that a few years ago it was terrible.

pverheggen 9mo ago

Well technically you can still use Flash via Ruffle, a WebAssembly-based emulator: https://ruffle.rs/ https://ruffle.rs/ Sites like Kongregate amd albinoblacksheep are using it to revive their old catalog.

socalgal2 9mo ago

Flash was fun but it was never built for being responsive and handling desktop and mobile in one app. Everything was basically fixed layout. Adding in that responsiveness would have probably killed the "easy" part.