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ai doesn't kill people, ai companies kill people

by rcy 9mo ago

hk1337 9mo ago
That's their 5th amendment rights.
embedding-shape 9mo ago
Well, in this case, I think since people are killing themselves after talking to the AI, people are actually killing people. The AI company and the AI kills no one, so surely they must not be responsible at all for this.
- dijksterhuis 9mo ago
  “responsibility” isn’t a boolean, at least in this human’s experience. there are different degrees of responsibility (and accountability) for everyone involved. some are smaller, some are larger. but everyone shares some responsibility, even if it is infinitesimally small.
  - embedding-shape 9mo ago
    Would you say an AI researcher involved in LLMs today are as responsible for how AI is being deployed, as the developers/engineers who initially worked on TCP and HTTP are for the state of the internet and web is today? I don't have any good answer myself, but eager to hear what others think.
    - dijksterhuis 9mo ago
      it’s not for me to judge someone else’s degree of responsibility really, that’s up to each individual to do for themselves.
    - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
      A quick search shows me (Disclosure: I think it is the duck.ai search thing rather than any article) > TCP and HTTP protocols were primarily developed with funding and support from government agencies, particularly the U.S. Department of Defense and organizations like ARPA, rather than by non-profit entities. These protocols were created to facilitate communication across different computer networks So um... yea?
      - embedding-shape 9mo ago
        That's to say they are or aren't responsible for what their technology is being used for? So say the people who specified, implemented and deployed TCP and HTTP, should they be held responsible for aiding transmission of child pornography across international borders, for example?
        Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
        No sorry, if you meant that should they be liable. I presume not. I was just pointing out that information because I had thought that http was created by non profits/similar but It was HTML which was created in CERN that being said, coming to the point, I think that no this shouldn't be the case for the people who specified TCP/HTTP But also I feel like an AI researcher / the people who specified TCP are in a different categories because AI researcher companies directly work for AI companies which are then used so in a way, their direct company is facilitating that partially due to their help On the other hand, People who have Specified Open source have no whatsoever relation similar to the AI company model perhaps. I am not sure, there definitely is nuance but I would definitely consider AI researchers to be more than the people who created the specification of TCP/http as an example.
lukan 9mo ago
And more in general, people kill people. And people help people. Tools are tools. It is what we make of them what matters. AI on its own has no intentions, but questions like these feed into that believe that there is already AGI with a own agenda waiting to build terminators.
- 0xbadcafebee 9mo ago
  A tool that kills its user during normal use is usually recalled
  - embedding-shape 9mo ago
    Yeah, that's probably true. Is that what happens whenever you use an LLM, it tries to kill you or asks you to kill yourself? I've been using LLMs on/off for about 2-3 years now, not a single time has it told me to kill myself, or anyone else for that matter.
esafak 9mo ago
Do you believe this will hold of a self-training robot with agency?

ai doesn't kill people, ai companies kill people

by rcy 9mo ago

ai doesn't kill people, ai companies kill people

hk1337 9mo ago

That's their 5th amendment rights.

embedding-shape 9mo ago

Well, in this case, I think since people are killing themselves after talking to the AI, people are actually killing people. The AI company and the AI kills no one, so surely they must not be responsible at all for this.

dijksterhuis 9mo ago
“responsibility” isn’t a boolean, at least in this human’s experience. there are different degrees of responsibility (and accountability) for everyone involved. some are smaller, some are larger. but everyone shares some responsibility, even if it is infinitesimally small.
- embedding-shape 9mo ago
  Would you say an AI researcher involved in LLMs today are as responsible for how AI is being deployed, as the developers/engineers who initially worked on TCP and HTTP are for the state of the internet and web is today? I don't have any good answer myself, but eager to hear what others think.
  - dijksterhuis 9mo ago
    it’s not for me to judge someone else’s degree of responsibility really, that’s up to each individual to do for themselves.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    A quick search shows me (Disclosure: I think it is the duck.ai search thing rather than any article) > TCP and HTTP protocols were primarily developed with funding and support from government agencies, particularly the U.S. Department of Defense and organizations like ARPA, rather than by non-profit entities. These protocols were created to facilitate communication across different computer networks So um... yea?
    - embedding-shape 9mo ago
      That's to say they are or aren't responsible for what their technology is being used for? So say the people who specified, implemented and deployed TCP and HTTP, should they be held responsible for aiding transmission of child pornography across international borders, for example?
      - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
        No sorry, if you meant that should they be liable. I presume not. I was just pointing out that information because I had thought that http was created by non profits/similar but It was HTML which was created in CERN that being said, coming to the point, I think that no this shouldn't be the case for the people who specified TCP/HTTP But also I feel like an AI researcher / the people who specified TCP are in a different categories because AI researcher companies directly work for AI companies which are then used so in a way, their direct company is facilitating that partially due to their help On the other hand, People who have Specified Open source have no whatsoever relation similar to the AI company model perhaps. I am not sure, there definitely is nuance but I would definitely consider AI researchers to be more than the people who created the specification of TCP/http as an example.

lukan 9mo ago

And more in general, people kill people. And people help people. Tools are tools. It is what we make of them what matters. AI on its own has no intentions, but questions like these feed into that believe that there is already AGI with a own agenda waiting to build terminators.

0xbadcafebee 9mo ago
A tool that kills its user during normal use is usually recalled
- embedding-shape 9mo ago
  Yeah, that's probably true. Is that what happens whenever you use an LLM, it tries to kill you or asks you to kill yourself? I've been using LLMs on/off for about 2-3 years now, not a single time has it told me to kill myself, or anyone else for that matter.

esafak 9mo ago

Do you believe this will hold of a self-training robot with agency?