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> Saying "we already have a definition" when it's not clear whether it's been considered whether that definition would interact with something which is new, is.
by bigstrat2003 10mo ago
> Saying "we already have a definition" when it's not clear whether it's been considered whether that definition would interact with something which is new, is... I don't even know what word to use. Square? Stupid?
The word you're looking for is "correct". The definition doesn't change just because circumstances do. If you want a term to refer to "open source unless it's for AI use", then coin one, don't misuse an existing term to mean something it doesn't.
- orphea 10mo ago> If you want a term to refer to "open source unless it's for AI use", then coin one We even have such term already. It's source-available. Nothing necessarily wrong or bad about it. It only requires people to be honest with themselves and don't call code open if it's not.
- evanelias 10mo agoPart of the background for this entire dispute is that prior to the OSI's founding, "open source" was a generic phrase which was broadly understood to just mean "the source code is available". See many documented cases in https://dieter.plaetinck.be/posts/open-source-undefined-part-1-the-alternative-origin-story/ https://dieter.plaetinck.be/posts/open-source-undefined-part... So it's a bit ironic to argue that terms cannot be redefined, when that's already what happened with "open source" and what got us here in the first place. If OSI had chosen a novel term (e.g. "Sourceware" was one option they considered), they would have been able to trademark it and avoid this entire multi-decade-long argument.
- ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago> The definition doesn't change just because circumstances do. Absolutely does, that's exactly something that languages do.