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What is exactly wrong with taking pictures of clothed people on public places without their knowledge? I thought this happens all the damn time. Before the coll

by 127 14y ago

What is exactly wrong with taking pictures of clothed people on public places without their knowledge? I thought this happens all the damn time. Before the collective PC hysteria I saw /r/creepshots mostly as an oddity. Strange people doing strange things. If /r/creepshots gets banned it will be just another step towards suppression of completely legal speech, because of emotional hyperventilation that has no basis in reality.

nemo1618 14y ago
I think one redditor put it best: "Why is People of Walmart funny, but /r/creepshots an invasion of privacy?"
- rmrfrmrf 14y ago
  People of Walmart isn't funny and it IS an invasion of privacy.
citricsquid 14y ago
The difference is sexualisation, which large swathes of America has problems with.
- tzs 14y ago
  It's about privacy, not sexualization, and this is not an American thing. Europe has even stronger views on privacy.
Cushman 14y ago
> What is exactly wrong with taking pictures of clothed people on public places without their knowledge? Serious question: You're a man, right? Go take a survey of your friends about this. I'll bet you find a strong difference of opinion along gender lines. Think about why that might be.
mnicole 14y ago
Because it is targeting people for the sole intention of harassing them at a global level. The TwoX thread had a few stories of people finding out second-hand that they were posted on there, how demeaning it was and how powerless they felt to do anything about it. They then had to deal with the repercussions of other friends/family/co-workers coming across it and all of the sleezy or insulting things said in the comments about them. No one deserves that. Now think if the picture was taken at or around their workplace and what could happen. I can only imagine that there are bottomfeeders out there who went out of their way to try to locate where one of these women was. While doxxing someone isn't the answer, something needs to be done so that bullies/trolls get the help they need and we can prevent something terrible from happening to one of the people posted.
- 127 14y ago
  All I see is suppression of free speech because it made somebody feel bad. Nothing actually illegal. I'm pretty sure I can't just relate to how this makes women feel. If somebody took my pictures without me knowing about it and a thread about the picture talking "nice ass" "what a handsome guy" it would just raise my self-esteem. Of course I would think these women (or gay men) would be weird and a little sad, but nothing more. Freedom of speech is not meant to protect someones feelings. It is in fact because of the opposite. It is meant to protect speech that can hurt someones feelings. Sure, they can be judged by the content of that speech but they should still be allowed to say it. Only exceptions I can see to this are hate speech and child porn.
  - rmrfrmrf 14y ago
    So you're pro-doxxing, then, right? Addresses and phone numbers are public record anyway, right? Why should I care if a submitter "feels bad" about his personal info leaking onto the net?
    - 127 14y ago
      I have two exceptions to free speech: child porn and hate speech. Doxxing is dangerously close to hate speech. Its only purpose is to root out the guy or girl who made a controversial statement and punish him or her for making it. Without anonymity it is often difficult and dangerous to express reasonable, but truly controversial ideas.

by 127 14y ago

nemo1618 14y ago

I think one redditor put it best: "Why is People of Walmart funny, but /r/creepshots an invasion of privacy?"

rmrfrmrf 14y ago
People of Walmart isn't funny and it IS an invasion of privacy.

citricsquid 14y ago

The difference is sexualisation, which large swathes of America has problems with.

tzs 14y ago
It's about privacy, not sexualization, and this is not an American thing. Europe has even stronger views on privacy.

Cushman 14y ago

> What is exactly wrong with taking pictures of clothed people on public places without their knowledge? Serious question: You're a man, right? Go take a survey of your friends about this. I'll bet you find a strong difference of opinion along gender lines. Think about why that might be.

mnicole 14y ago

Because it is targeting people for the sole intention of harassing them at a global level. The TwoX thread had a few stories of people finding out second-hand that they were posted on there, how demeaning it was and how powerless they felt to do anything about it. They then had to deal with the repercussions of other friends/family/co-workers coming across it and all of the sleezy or insulting things said in the comments about them. No one deserves that. Now think if the picture was taken at or around their workplace and what could happen. I can only imagine that there are bottomfeeders out there who went out of their way to try to locate where one of these women was. While doxxing someone isn't the answer, something needs to be done so that bullies/trolls get the help they need and we can prevent something terrible from happening to one of the people posted.

127 14y ago
All I see is suppression of free speech because it made somebody feel bad. Nothing actually illegal. I'm pretty sure I can't just relate to how this makes women feel. If somebody took my pictures without me knowing about it and a thread about the picture talking "nice ass" "what a handsome guy" it would just raise my self-esteem. Of course I would think these women (or gay men) would be weird and a little sad, but nothing more. Freedom of speech is not meant to protect someones feelings. It is in fact because of the opposite. It is meant to protect speech that can hurt someones feelings. Sure, they can be judged by the content of that speech but they should still be allowed to say it. Only exceptions I can see to this are hate speech and child porn.
- rmrfrmrf 14y ago
  So you're pro-doxxing, then, right? Addresses and phone numbers are public record anyway, right? Why should I care if a submitter "feels bad" about his personal info leaking onto the net?
  - 127 14y ago
    I have two exceptions to free speech: child porn and hate speech. Doxxing is dangerously close to hate speech. Its only purpose is to root out the guy or girl who made a controversial statement and punish him or her for making it. Without anonymity it is often difficult and dangerous to express reasonable, but truly controversial ideas.