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What's the deal with AI here in the comments?
by Keyframe 9mo ago
What's the deal with AI here in the comments?
- Vincent_Yan404 9mo agoYou caught me! Yes, I am using AI to assist with the translation. My IELTS score is 7.5, but my writing band is 6.0. I write my thoughts and comments in Chinese first and then use AI to translate them. The entire article was also translated from my original Chinese manuscript.
- jeremyjh 9mo agoThe reply to the 418 joke is clearly generated, not just translated.
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- mgraczyk 9mo agoIt doesn't sound generated to me
- the_af 9mo agoThe comment with "you touched on an interesting and profound point" is also not a translation of anything a human would write, but AI slop/filler.
- Vincent_Yan404 9mo agoYes it is, really sorry for it. I don't know how to delete it.
- Keyframe 9mo agoRight, you do what you think is best. I'm in no position to tell you what to do. Having said that, it comes off as robotic and impersonal. Personally, I'd rather read you trying to write with your own words what you wanted to write. That is, if you're not AI yourself which there are high chances of and I'm leaning on that theory.
- Vincent_Yan404 9mo ago确实，我自己也非常讨厌AI味的文字，很希望我的英文能和中文一样好。只是可能还要好几年时间吧。
- hexbin010 9mo agoYou're not just translating though
- thrdbndndn 9mo agoI would like to read the original Chinese version as a native speaker. Is there any chance you post that (the article itself) too?
- decimalenough 9mo agohttps://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/22190111 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/22190111
- thrdbndndn 9mo agoWow, thanks. I vaguely remembered reading something about this years ago on Zhihu, and I didn't even realize it was the same article!
- themantalope 9mo ago你可以把中文版发到网上吧
- Vincent_Yan404 9mo agohttps://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/22190111 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/22190111 这里是原版的，我稍微修改了一些部分。
- Igrom 9mo ago谢谢你的文章，太有意思了。这么神秘的故事容易吸引人，万一里面犯了少许语法上的错误，还会有人介意吗？人工智能用起来却可能正事与愿违，让大家质疑你对故事加以过夸张或编造。我建议，第二部不用机器翻译，手动翻译翻译吧。回复人消息，自己写也更好。 Thank you very much for the article, it was super interesting. The mystery in the story draws people in, and people surely won't mind a couple of grammatical mistakes. But you have to watch out: the use of AI makes it easy for people to suspect that the story might've been embellished. For the second part, it might be better to try translating it manually; the same goes for writing replies.
- Vincent_Yan404 9mo agoYes, I will try my best.Thank you.
- lanyard-textile 9mo agoYour best is more than good enough. Thank you for sharing your story. It makes the world a better place.
- xena 9mo agoI'd rather read something in "bad English" than laundered through generative artificial intelligence tools.
- o10449366 9mo agoHighly doubt this. Have you read a translated book? Are you looking for literal translations or a translation from someone who's an expert in both languages and makes subjective adjustments based on their experience?
- the_af 9mo agoNo, I agree with the other commenter. I'd rather read broken English than the fake tone AI injects on everything (and the suspicion of fabrications, too).
- pbalau 9mo agoIn my new domain, photography, the most common "advice" for beginners is to learn the exposure triangle, shoot manual and get everything done in camera. This kind of advice comes from beginners, quite close to take a fall from the Dunning-Kruger scale. I'm working towards a distinction from one of the most respected photography organizations in the world and nobody involved with it that gave me guidance ever asked how I took the images. Maybe or, most likely this is the same for writing: there are people that think correct grammar and punctuation and no help on achieving this, means writing.
- Aboutplants 9mo agoTip, I’d rather read slightly bad grammar due to simple translation than AI assisted interpretation of what you are wanting to say.call me old fashioned I guess
- o10449366 9mo agoWhy? Would a incorrect but literal translation be closer or further from what the author is trying to communicate? I've been seeing this take on HN a lot recently, but when it comes to translation current AI is far, far superior to what we had previously with Google Translate, etc. If the substack was written in broken English there's no way it would even be appearing on the front page here, even less so if it was written in Chinese.
- the_af 9mo agoAn incorrect but more authentic translation would seem more real, like an human earnestly trying to tell a story. We would accept the imperfections and have a subjective feeling of more authenticity. Of course, even this can be faked, sadly.
- o10449366 9mo agoWhen the translation differs so much from what the author is trying to say in their native language, it loses its earnestness. That's why translation is a job in the first place and you don't see publishers running whole books through Google translate. No one, least the authors, would accept that.
- the_af 9mo agoWe don't know how much the imperfect translation would differ from the author’s intent, but we would sure try to meet him halfway. Nobody would criticize his broken English. Contrast this with the faux polite, irritating tone of the AI, complete with fabrications and phrases the author didn't even intend to write. Authenticity has value. AI speech is anything but authentic.
- wizzwizz4 9mo agoPlease use actual machine translation systems, not generative AI.
- jiggawatts 9mo agoThat’s some grade A nonsense. The core algorithm behind modern generative AI was developed specifically for translation, the task which arguably these chatbots are the most suited! It’s the task that they’re far the best at, both relative to older translation algorithms (which were also AI), and relative to their capabilities other tasks that they’re being put to. These LLMs are “just” text-to-text transformers! That’s where the name comes from! “Stop using the best electric power tool, please use the outdated steam powered tool.” is what you’re saying right now. You’re not even asking for something to be “hand crafted”, you’re just being a luddite.
- pixl97 9mo agoHeh, it's amazing how people have already forgotten exactly how terrible older ML translation was.
- wizzwizz4 9mo agoThe "terribleness" is a feature. It means I can be confident that the meaning of fluent output corresponds to the meaning of the input: I'm capable of hand-translating any passages the computer can't, but I'm not capable of proof-reading all the translations to spot fluent confabulations.
- lynnharry 9mo agoLLM can translate in the style you want them to. You can make them translate more creatively or just translate word by word. I even think you can make them explain their choice of translation and help you proof-read the result.
- wizzwizz4 9mo ago> The core algorithm behind modern generative AI was developed specifically for translation Indeed! And yet, generative AI systems wire it up as a lossy compression / predictive text model, which discreetly confabulates what it doesn't understand. Why not use a transformer-based model architecture actually designed for translation? I'd much rather the model take a best-guess (which might be useful, or might be nonsense, but will at least be conspicuous nonsense) than substitute a different (less-obviously nonsense) meaning entirely. Bonus: purpose-built translation models are much smaller, can tractably be run on a CPU, and (since they require less data) can be built from corpora whose authors consented to this use. There's no compelling reason to throw an LLM at the problem, introducing multiple ethical issues and generally pissing off your audience, for a worse result.
- pyuser583 9mo agoIn the technology industry, many people are not native speakers. Low-level English is normal and accepted. On the job, I never speak above the level of a 13-year-old. AI generated English is hated. Consider using English, not software translation.
- Vincent_Yan404 9mo agoI hate that too, but my english writing is not good enough to write a long article, I edited this many times, I thought it's acceptable.Yes, I will try my best to learn english writing.
- deadbabe 9mo agoWrite your comments in Chinese, we will use our own translation.
- Vincent_Yan404 9mo agoSounds good.我会试着用中文回复，只是不知道在HN上面这样接受度高么？
- deadbabe 9mo agoI think we should be free to speak whatever language we want in a hackernews comment.