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Of course they do, because that intangible symbol of God is the base of the whole social structure. Just like how cash is nothing but paper without the underlyi

Of course they do, because that intangible symbol of God is the base of the whole social structure. Just like how cash is nothing but paper without the underlying intangible idea of a nation to give an exchange value to it. It doesn't matter that it's artificial, what matters is that it's held up with collective faith to give validity to a set of ideas and values.

donkeybeer 10mo ago
But why do they claim god has powers over man if he needs mans hand to execute it? Cash or governments don't claim to be some all powerful fundamental truth of the universe. Nobody ever said that. Why do we infantilize and accept such utter absurdity from religious people? And what's funnier is most religions hate "LGBT" because its made up....how is it more made up than their beliefs? At least gender is a real thing that we can see, and one day in theory the body could be modified to truly change gender. Religion hasn't even, in principle given us any reason or explanation for their absurdities yet violently push back on anyone saying doubts.
donkeybeer 10mo ago
Normally we'd call that schizophrenia, hallucinations or any number of serious mental illnesses. The religious are on the other hand coddled. I'll be honest, at a fundamental level, I don't trust religious people at all, I work with people as needed to, but its like trusting a wild unpredictable beast, you never know what dangerous form their insanities would one day pop up as.
donkeybeer 10mo ago
They are liars because they don't just say "Let god fix it" when they face crime, disease, what not. Well, some are insane enough that they do yes, I'd at least consider those people honest who go to faith healers for problems.
amenhotep 10mo ago
Cash has value because the government, which is a real thing that verifiably exists and has power because of collective decisions made regardless of whether you agree with them, demands that you pay taxes and will put you in prison if you don't. What verifiably happens to me if I don't pretend I believe your particular god exists?
- dartharva 10mo ago
  What gives a government legitimacy and power to extort taxes and punish people? Collective acceptance and trust, nothing else. Same goes with religion. > What verifiably happens to me if I don't pretend I believe your particular god exists? Used to be not that long ago that you'd face similar punishment. It's fairly recently that religion as a social institution has weakened to obscurity. If you attack its symbols, you attack its society.
  - donkeybeer 10mo ago
    Show me which government claims cash came from outside the universe and the govt itself invented the universe and is omnipotent and can read everyone's minds.
  - donkeybeer 10mo ago
    And how many governments claim no other country or currency is legit and anyone who isn't their country is a blasphemer or at least seriously misguided? Does French government say Germans are fundamentally wrong, the German government should be dissolved and every German should be French?

donkeybeer 10mo ago

But why do they claim god has powers over man if he needs mans hand to execute it? Cash or governments don't claim to be some all powerful fundamental truth of the universe. Nobody ever said that. Why do we infantilize and accept such utter absurdity from religious people? And what's funnier is most religions hate "LGBT" because its made up....how is it more made up than their beliefs? At least gender is a real thing that we can see, and one day in theory the body could be modified to truly change gender. Religion hasn't even, in principle given us any reason or explanation for their absurdities yet violently push back on anyone saying doubts.

donkeybeer 10mo ago

Normally we'd call that schizophrenia, hallucinations or any number of serious mental illnesses. The religious are on the other hand coddled. I'll be honest, at a fundamental level, I don't trust religious people at all, I work with people as needed to, but its like trusting a wild unpredictable beast, you never know what dangerous form their insanities would one day pop up as.

donkeybeer 10mo ago

They are liars because they don't just say "Let god fix it" when they face crime, disease, what not. Well, some are insane enough that they do yes, I'd at least consider those people honest who go to faith healers for problems.

amenhotep 10mo ago

Cash has value because the government, which is a real thing that verifiably exists and has power because of collective decisions made regardless of whether you agree with them, demands that you pay taxes and will put you in prison if you don't. What verifiably happens to me if I don't pretend I believe your particular god exists?

dartharva 10mo ago
What gives a government legitimacy and power to extort taxes and punish people? Collective acceptance and trust, nothing else. Same goes with religion. > What verifiably happens to me if I don't pretend I believe your particular god exists? Used to be not that long ago that you'd face similar punishment. It's fairly recently that religion as a social institution has weakened to obscurity. If you attack its symbols, you attack its society.
- donkeybeer 10mo ago
  Show me which government claims cash came from outside the universe and the govt itself invented the universe and is omnipotent and can read everyone's minds.
- donkeybeer 10mo ago
  And how many governments claim no other country or currency is legit and anyone who isn't their country is a blasphemer or at least seriously misguided? Does French government say Germans are fundamentally wrong, the German government should be dissolved and every German should be French?