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I was ready to be on board with this just because Gawker is such a mess, but anyone that follows r/SubredditDrama knows of Violentacruz and r/creepshots just sh

by mnicole 14y ago

I was ready to be on board with this just because Gawker is such a mess, but anyone that follows r/SubredditDrama knows of Violentacruz and r/creepshots just shouldn't exist. I find it surprising that Reddit moderators are going so far as to do this for the sake of someone that is putting hundreds, if not thousands, of women at risk of being stalked or otherwise victimized by the type of people that think there's nothing wrong with posting pictures them to gawk at or make fun of. I really wanted a site like Reddit to work and be able to function without too much politics or this kind of childish crap, but this is really taking the cake and encouraging me to build out another alternative. There was a great discussion on the implications a subreddit like r/creepshots can have on r/TwoXChromosomes last week. I haven't visited the site yet today, but I'd imagine they just alienated their entire female userbase (myself included), as if the users of that site didn't do enough of that already. Edit: Can I get explanations for the downvotes?

rjh29 14y ago
I don't know if this is a new thing, but /r/creepshots appears to be a banned subreddit.
- Peroni 14y ago
  There's a few banned subreddits. /r/Jailbait is probably the most high profile banning.
- girlvinyl 14y ago
  It isn't banned, it was deleted via "Blackmail" according to the subreddit owner.
- mnicole 14y ago
  I'd rejoice, but history has proven that there's either another one lurking in obscurity or we'll see something similar crop up once the pitchforks are put back down.
fein 14y ago
In regards to Violentacrez: Every community has shock jocks. I'm not condoning any of the actions, as that shit truly is creepy on an inhuman scale, but one should understand that without the community support, the guy has nothing. The ultimate issue is not that an individual like Violentacrez exists, but instead that the community enables it. > me to build out another alternative. you could also just fork reddit: https://github.com/reddit/reddit https://github.com/reddit/reddit
- Adirael 14y ago
  This is true, the guy controls a lot of popular subreddits. I don't go to Reddit anymore and I'm reading less and less comment threads here because of it's leakage.
127 14y ago
What is exactly wrong with taking pictures of clothed people on public places without their knowledge? I thought this happens all the damn time. Before the collective PC hysteria I saw /r/creepshots mostly as an oddity. Strange people doing strange things. If /r/creepshots gets banned it will be just another step towards suppression of completely legal speech, because of emotional hyperventilation that has no basis in reality.
- nemo1618 14y ago
  I think one redditor put it best: "Why is People of Walmart funny, but /r/creepshots an invasion of privacy?"
  - rmrfrmrf 14y ago
    People of Walmart isn't funny and it IS an invasion of privacy.
- citricsquid 14y ago
  The difference is sexualisation, which large swathes of America has problems with.
  - tzs 14y ago
    It's about privacy, not sexualization, and this is not an American thing. Europe has even stronger views on privacy.
- Cushman 14y ago
  > What is exactly wrong with taking pictures of clothed people on public places without their knowledge? Serious question: You're a man, right? Go take a survey of your friends about this. I'll bet you find a strong difference of opinion along gender lines. Think about why that might be.
- mnicole 14y ago
  Because it is targeting people for the sole intention of harassing them at a global level. The TwoX thread had a few stories of people finding out second-hand that they were posted on there, how demeaning it was and how powerless they felt to do anything about it. They then had to deal with the repercussions of other friends/family/co-workers coming across it and all of the sleezy or insulting things said in the comments about them. No one deserves that. Now think if the picture was taken at or around their workplace and what could happen. I can only imagine that there are bottomfeeders out there who went out of their way to try to locate where one of these women was. While doxxing someone isn't the answer, something needs to be done so that bullies/trolls get the help they need and we can prevent something terrible from happening to one of the people posted.
naner 14y ago
There aren't really any good players here (Adrian Chen is also a horse's-ass). Anyways, these subreddit moderators are trying to protect their community, regardless of who is being targeted. For people looking for more background on the drama: http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/118qdg/the_real_reason_why_violentacrez_deleted_his/ http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/118qdg/the_r... Also note that Saydrah, who appears to be defending him a bit, was a long-time reddit mod (also was an active 2Xer and is pretty pro-women's-rights). She used to be much more active but someone doxed her a couple years ago and found out she was a social-media marketer (including consulting on reddit promotion) and the reddit community turned on her pretty quickly. She was personally harassed and some members of her family were as well. Part of the female community on reddit also turned on her a bit (though not so agressively) when she posed -- in a non-provocative fully-clothed manner -- in the Reddit calendar in 2009. http://reddithistory.wikia.com/wiki/Saydrah http://reddithistory.wikia.com/wiki/Saydrah http://www.reddit.com/r/InternetAMA/comments/11au8g/iama_saydrah_ama/ http://www.reddit.com/r/InternetAMA/comments/11au8g/iama_say... I got a little off track there but reddit has a pretty rich history with a wild cast of characters. Quite the soap opera. Needless to say: Violentacerz isn't as one-dimensional as everyone assumes either, but he did do most of the things you've heard about.
- citricsquid 14y ago
  If I recall correctly the reason the female community turned on Saydrah was not the photos she posted, it was because she tried to manipulate the female community into backing her up by using some really sleazy stuff. She said her gender was the reason behind the situation and nobody agreed and tore her apart for it. There's a post somewhere, I'll try and locate it. I was an active redditor during the drama.
  - naner 14y ago
    She deleted all her old comments.

by mnicole 14y ago

rjh29 14y ago

I don't know if this is a new thing, but /r/creepshots appears to be a banned subreddit.

Peroni 14y ago
There's a few banned subreddits. /r/Jailbait is probably the most high profile banning.
girlvinyl 14y ago
It isn't banned, it was deleted via "Blackmail" according to the subreddit owner.
mnicole 14y ago
I'd rejoice, but history has proven that there's either another one lurking in obscurity or we'll see something similar crop up once the pitchforks are put back down.

fein 14y ago

In regards to Violentacrez: Every community has shock jocks. I'm not condoning any of the actions, as that shit truly is creepy on an inhuman scale, but one should understand that without the community support, the guy has nothing. The ultimate issue is not that an individual like Violentacrez exists, but instead that the community enables it. > me to build out another alternative. you could also just fork reddit: https://github.com/reddit/reddit https://github.com/reddit/reddit

Adirael 14y ago
This is true, the guy controls a lot of popular subreddits. I don't go to Reddit anymore and I'm reading less and less comment threads here because of it's leakage.

127 14y ago

What is exactly wrong with taking pictures of clothed people on public places without their knowledge? I thought this happens all the damn time. Before the collective PC hysteria I saw /r/creepshots mostly as an oddity. Strange people doing strange things. If /r/creepshots gets banned it will be just another step towards suppression of completely legal speech, because of emotional hyperventilation that has no basis in reality.

nemo1618 14y ago
I think one redditor put it best: "Why is People of Walmart funny, but /r/creepshots an invasion of privacy?"
- rmrfrmrf 14y ago
  People of Walmart isn't funny and it IS an invasion of privacy.
citricsquid 14y ago
The difference is sexualisation, which large swathes of America has problems with.
- tzs 14y ago
  It's about privacy, not sexualization, and this is not an American thing. Europe has even stronger views on privacy.
Cushman 14y ago
> What is exactly wrong with taking pictures of clothed people on public places without their knowledge? Serious question: You're a man, right? Go take a survey of your friends about this. I'll bet you find a strong difference of opinion along gender lines. Think about why that might be.
mnicole 14y ago
Because it is targeting people for the sole intention of harassing them at a global level. The TwoX thread had a few stories of people finding out second-hand that they were posted on there, how demeaning it was and how powerless they felt to do anything about it. They then had to deal with the repercussions of other friends/family/co-workers coming across it and all of the sleezy or insulting things said in the comments about them. No one deserves that. Now think if the picture was taken at or around their workplace and what could happen. I can only imagine that there are bottomfeeders out there who went out of their way to try to locate where one of these women was. While doxxing someone isn't the answer, something needs to be done so that bullies/trolls get the help they need and we can prevent something terrible from happening to one of the people posted.

naner 14y ago

There aren't really any good players here (Adrian Chen is also a horse's-ass). Anyways, these subreddit moderators are trying to protect their community, regardless of who is being targeted. For people looking for more background on the drama: http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/118qdg/the_real_reason_why_violentacrez_deleted_his/ http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/118qdg/the_r... Also note that Saydrah, who appears to be defending him a bit, was a long-time reddit mod (also was an active 2Xer and is pretty pro-women's-rights). She used to be much more active but someone doxed her a couple years ago and found out she was a social-media marketer (including consulting on reddit promotion) and the reddit community turned on her pretty quickly. She was personally harassed and some members of her family were as well. Part of the female community on reddit also turned on her a bit (though not so agressively) when she posed -- in a non-provocative fully-clothed manner -- in the Reddit calendar in 2009. http://reddithistory.wikia.com/wiki/Saydrah http://reddithistory.wikia.com/wiki/Saydrah http://www.reddit.com/r/InternetAMA/comments/11au8g/iama_saydrah_ama/ http://www.reddit.com/r/InternetAMA/comments/11au8g/iama_say... I got a little off track there but reddit has a pretty rich history with a wild cast of characters. Quite the soap opera. Needless to say: Violentacerz isn't as one-dimensional as everyone assumes either, but he did do most of the things you've heard about.

citricsquid 14y ago
If I recall correctly the reason the female community turned on Saydrah was not the photos she posted, it was because she tried to manipulate the female community into backing her up by using some really sleazy stuff. She said her gender was the reason behind the situation and nobody agreed and tore her apart for it. There's a post somewhere, I'll try and locate it. I was an active redditor during the drama.
- naner 14y ago
  She deleted all her old comments.