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Manus AI 100M USD ARR

41 points by ms7892 10mo ago

HotGarbage 10mo ago
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- pmdr 10mo ago
  That was a really good read.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo ago
    Interesting perspective, but, as with most writing, it seems to say more about the author of the article than the actual subject. Yes, I do get that that butthole is a way to capture attention of the reader and even with knowledge it does not help that you really, really want to see it ( with one exception ) for the analogy to work. Even if it is just a device ( and it does not appear to be ), it feels forced.
- the_duke 10mo ago
  With a bit of education one would know that manus is Latin for hand. That's where "manual" comes from. And their logo is, lo and behold ... a hand!
  - nrhrjrjrjtntbt 10mo ago
    So it is the Ancient Romans who were obsessed with butts. Got it.
    - stavros 10mo ago
      There are more English words that end in -ass than Latin words that end in -anus, so who's really obsessed?
    - codeduck 9mo ago
      Canonically it was winged penises, but yes.
  - fifticon 10mo ago
    but where has that hand BEEN? And we are back at -anus again.
  - HendrikHensen 10mo ago
    Since it's an AI company, and not actually doing anything by hand, it wouldn't surprise me if they came up with the name "manus" because it has "anus" in it, and then designed the hand logo due to the Latin meaning of the name. [this is a sarcasm, in case that was not clear]
- zatkin 10mo ago
  Yikes.
- mococa 10mo ago
  I can not unsee it now! Btw, this reminds me the red hot logo, which is a ass hole too.
- tinyoli 9mo ago
  I guess it's because they all produce sh*t.
efitz 10mo ago
So full of humility.
moomoo11 10mo ago
So what do they do?
- koakuma-chan 10mo ago
  Probably just another AI website generator, like v0 and lovable. Probably no difference.
3rodents 10mo ago
Setting aside the veracity of the $100m claim: Manus is a spin out of a spin out, building on ~10 years of previous work. The “fastest company to 100m arr” has become a meme so it doesn’t deserve much scrutiny but it seems a somewhat tenuous claim in this case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_(AI_agent) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_(AI_agent)
- giorgioz 10mo ago
  After 10 years of hard work, it was an "instant" success.
deleted 10mo ago
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shaky-carrousel 10mo ago
A service precariously sitting on top of a LLM that can change any minute now. This surely is future proof.
mertbio 10mo ago
The thing about ARR numbers is that in most cases they didn't really recur, especially for an 8-month-old company. Also, I don't really care about these numbers anymore unless they share how much they spent on marketing.
- nrhrjrjrjtntbt 10mo ago
  Yes if they are losing on unit economics can they make it up on scale (facetious saying but there may be truth to it for some AI startups)
- citrin_ru 9mo ago
  IMHO at least some spending on AI are FOMO driven. Companies think how they can adopt AI faster than competitors in a fear being left behind and loose the race. They don’t yet know if ROI of AI adoption is above zero. Even if adopting AI is the only right decision some of AI users may go out of business having overspend on AI and either way AI customer base will decrease.
koakuma-chan 10mo ago
How much ARR openrouter has?
- echelon 10mo ago
  I would wager much more. Is this the capacity most people are using Manus in? I'd imagine it's the higher level stuff.
DennisL123 10mo ago
Last minute I sold 200 €/$£/¥ worth of product. At this rate and because online sales is 24/7, I am hitting 200*60*24*365 = 105.120.000 ARR. tada!
- IMTDb 9mo ago
  If these customers have set an automated system to pay you $200 every single minute, that’s correct. If they haven’t and it was just a one off sale, you are missing the “recurring” part in ARR.
shubhamjain 10mo ago
Looking at that list, the top three companies are essentially about building apps without writing code. The next one is about helping developers write code. Perplexity is the only real outlier, and even that not by much. I am by no means an AI pessimist, but I can't help think where are all the awesome companies in other sectors that this technology is supposed to unlock. I understand that many industries will take years to adopt. Fine. But about sub-sectors in tech—gaming, design, data? What is happening beyond "make software development easier"? Is it because ChatGPT like apps are enough for most people?
- alfiedotwtf 9mo ago
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- sgt101 9mo ago
  There's a loop between adoption of a technology and adaptation of a technology. For some domains that loop is fast, the adaptations prove to be easy and the feedback from adopters is easy to get. For other domains it's slow, especially towards the end of the process of going from something interesting to something useful. A good example of a slow loop is self driving, it's hard to get feedback about self driving in safety critical real world situations... another example is medicine. The other issue is that the value is more or less all in the LLMs (at the minute). For example, I built a data engineering toolkit using LLMs, it created synthetic data from examples, it created ingestion pipelines given different source filed and a target, it created data test rules. I liked my little toolkit and some people were impressed, but the value was all in the models that underpinned it. The crust of clever bits that added value was thin, very thin. Ok, we used the llms to generate some python that then created the synthetic data and testing rules to reduce costs, we had three or four "agents" that worked together to create the pipelines. We decorated target code with open provenance code to create provanance... But just by saying these things or letting you use the toolkit and you seeing what it made - that's enough for any half competent person to relicate it (with AI assistance) in an afternoon, or maybe a couple of afternoons. Maybe. So, to create a viable company is going to take significant effort (if you can think of a value add) because the value add still has to be real.
- DANmode 9mo ago
agentifysh 10mo ago
Nobody I know tried manus let alone heard of it. This just doesn't smell right overall.
brainless 10mo ago
I co-mentor with a large online school for an AI accelerator course. We get about 600 participants each month, paying about $500-600 for a 14 day course. I only co-mentor for 2 days - the days we teach fundamentals of software development and then show how to code with Replit, Bolt, Lovable, Emergent, etc. One of the most common questions is "can I build on xyz and shift to abc because I do not want to pay?" And another is "can I host the code myself?" Customers know they do not need to stay with any of these code builders. The platforms know it too. They spend tons of $ to get customers, who use the credits and then leave. Manus is running $5000 credit for 2000 people. A simple search shows so many offers: https://x.com/search?q=ManusAI%20credits&src=typed_query https://x.com/search?q=ManusAI%20credits&src=typed_query Each of the players are just eating each others customers and showing growth. Perplexity has acquired who knows how many customers in India through their 12 month free Pro offer via Airtel (a telecom provider): https://www.perplexity.ai/help-center/en/articles/11842322-perplexity-pro-airtel-promo https://www.perplexity.ai/help-center/en/articles/11842322-p...
- codegladiator 9mo ago
  And now Perplexity has mailed all of those "free" users to add a "card" (wont charge now) to continue with its free pro offer. Apart from airtel perplexity ran a lot of college based programs where students were basically referring each other for money.
  - wickedsight 9mo ago
    They also have 12 months free when subscribing through Paypal. There's almost zero chance I remain a customer after those 12 months are over, since I find ChatGPT way more valuable.
    - SXX 9mo ago
      They dont need to stay. They just need you as a user long enough to sell off to some dumb investor or another company that will find dumb investors.
- deleted 9mo ago
gregjw 9mo ago
Never met a single person who has used it. Only ever Replit/Lovable/Bolt/v0. Interesting.
- leobuskin 9mo ago
  Never met a single person who used Replit/Lovable/Bolt/v0, all folks have either custom harnesses around top-tier labs' models, or use their dev-tools (cc, codex, etc). It feels like Manus & Co are very niche thing
keyle 9mo ago
Easy come, easy ... I'll let GenAI complete that one. It saddens me that we're making gezillions in complete hype businesses while people work their butts off for pebbles.
- SXX 9mo ago
  It's no different than any other VC funded company before GenAI. They all sold $100 bills with discount before either capturing market or disappear.
TZubiri 9mo ago
I wonder what the expenses are
asciii 9mo ago
> Less structure, more intelligence. > Let Manus handle the work — you focus on the decisions As a general comment I am getting tired of AI wishy washy slop. Just tell me how you crunch the tokens and benefits. The marketing has gotten cliche.

41 points by ms7892 10mo ago

HotGarbage 10mo ago

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pmdr 10mo ago
That was a really good read.
- A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 10mo ago
  Interesting perspective, but, as with most writing, it seems to say more about the author of the article than the actual subject. Yes, I do get that that butthole is a way to capture attention of the reader and even with knowledge it does not help that you really, really want to see it ( with one exception ) for the analogy to work. Even if it is just a device ( and it does not appear to be ), it feels forced.
the_duke 10mo ago
With a bit of education one would know that manus is Latin for hand. That's where "manual" comes from. And their logo is, lo and behold ... a hand!
- nrhrjrjrjtntbt 10mo ago
  So it is the Ancient Romans who were obsessed with butts. Got it.
  - stavros 10mo ago
    There are more English words that end in -ass than Latin words that end in -anus, so who's really obsessed?
  - codeduck 9mo ago
    Canonically it was winged penises, but yes.
- fifticon 10mo ago
  but where has that hand BEEN? And we are back at -anus again.
- HendrikHensen 10mo ago
  Since it's an AI company, and not actually doing anything by hand, it wouldn't surprise me if they came up with the name "manus" because it has "anus" in it, and then designed the hand logo due to the Latin meaning of the name. [this is a sarcasm, in case that was not clear]
zatkin 10mo ago
Yikes.
mococa 10mo ago
I can not unsee it now! Btw, this reminds me the red hot logo, which is a ass hole too.
tinyoli 9mo ago
I guess it's because they all produce sh*t.

efitz 10mo ago

So full of humility.

moomoo11 10mo ago

So what do they do?

koakuma-chan 10mo ago
Probably just another AI website generator, like v0 and lovable. Probably no difference.

3rodents 10mo ago

Setting aside the veracity of the $100m claim: Manus is a spin out of a spin out, building on ~10 years of previous work. The “fastest company to 100m arr” has become a meme so it doesn’t deserve much scrutiny but it seems a somewhat tenuous claim in this case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_(AI_agent) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_(AI_agent)

giorgioz 10mo ago
After 10 years of hard work, it was an "instant" success.

deleted 10mo ago

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shaky-carrousel 10mo ago

A service precariously sitting on top of a LLM that can change any minute now. This surely is future proof.

mertbio 10mo ago

The thing about ARR numbers is that in most cases they didn't really recur, especially for an 8-month-old company. Also, I don't really care about these numbers anymore unless they share how much they spent on marketing.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt 10mo ago
Yes if they are losing on unit economics can they make it up on scale (facetious saying but there may be truth to it for some AI startups)
citrin_ru 9mo ago
IMHO at least some spending on AI are FOMO driven. Companies think how they can adopt AI faster than competitors in a fear being left behind and loose the race. They don’t yet know if ROI of AI adoption is above zero. Even if adopting AI is the only right decision some of AI users may go out of business having overspend on AI and either way AI customer base will decrease.

koakuma-chan 10mo ago

How much ARR openrouter has?

echelon 10mo ago
I would wager much more. Is this the capacity most people are using Manus in? I'd imagine it's the higher level stuff.

DennisL123 10mo ago

Last minute I sold 200 €/$£/¥ worth of product. At this rate and because online sales is 24/7, I am hitting 200*60*24*365 = 105.120.000 ARR. tada!

IMTDb 9mo ago
If these customers have set an automated system to pay you $200 every single minute, that’s correct. If they haven’t and it was just a one off sale, you are missing the “recurring” part in ARR.

shubhamjain 10mo ago

Looking at that list, the top three companies are essentially about building apps without writing code. The next one is about helping developers write code. Perplexity is the only real outlier, and even that not by much. I am by no means an AI pessimist, but I can't help think where are all the awesome companies in other sectors that this technology is supposed to unlock. I understand that many industries will take years to adopt. Fine. But about sub-sectors in tech—gaming, design, data? What is happening beyond "make software development easier"? Is it because ChatGPT like apps are enough for most people?

alfiedotwtf 9mo ago
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sgt101 9mo ago
There's a loop between adoption of a technology and adaptation of a technology. For some domains that loop is fast, the adaptations prove to be easy and the feedback from adopters is easy to get. For other domains it's slow, especially towards the end of the process of going from something interesting to something useful. A good example of a slow loop is self driving, it's hard to get feedback about self driving in safety critical real world situations... another example is medicine. The other issue is that the value is more or less all in the LLMs (at the minute). For example, I built a data engineering toolkit using LLMs, it created synthetic data from examples, it created ingestion pipelines given different source filed and a target, it created data test rules. I liked my little toolkit and some people were impressed, but the value was all in the models that underpinned it. The crust of clever bits that added value was thin, very thin. Ok, we used the llms to generate some python that then created the synthetic data and testing rules to reduce costs, we had three or four "agents" that worked together to create the pipelines. We decorated target code with open provenance code to create provanance... But just by saying these things or letting you use the toolkit and you seeing what it made - that's enough for any half competent person to relicate it (with AI assistance) in an afternoon, or maybe a couple of afternoons. Maybe. So, to create a viable company is going to take significant effort (if you can think of a value add) because the value add still has to be real.
DANmode 9mo ago

agentifysh 10mo ago

Nobody I know tried manus let alone heard of it. This just doesn't smell right overall.

brainless 10mo ago

I co-mentor with a large online school for an AI accelerator course. We get about 600 participants each month, paying about $500-600 for a 14 day course. I only co-mentor for 2 days - the days we teach fundamentals of software development and then show how to code with Replit, Bolt, Lovable, Emergent, etc. One of the most common questions is "can I build on xyz and shift to abc because I do not want to pay?" And another is "can I host the code myself?" Customers know they do not need to stay with any of these code builders. The platforms know it too. They spend tons of $ to get customers, who use the credits and then leave. Manus is running $5000 credit for 2000 people. A simple search shows so many offers: https://x.com/search?q=ManusAI%20credits&src=typed_query https://x.com/search?q=ManusAI%20credits&src=typed_query Each of the players are just eating each others customers and showing growth. Perplexity has acquired who knows how many customers in India through their 12 month free Pro offer via Airtel (a telecom provider): https://www.perplexity.ai/help-center/en/articles/11842322-perplexity-pro-airtel-promo https://www.perplexity.ai/help-center/en/articles/11842322-p...

codegladiator 9mo ago
And now Perplexity has mailed all of those "free" users to add a "card" (wont charge now) to continue with its free pro offer. Apart from airtel perplexity ran a lot of college based programs where students were basically referring each other for money.
- wickedsight 9mo ago
  They also have 12 months free when subscribing through Paypal. There's almost zero chance I remain a customer after those 12 months are over, since I find ChatGPT way more valuable.
  - SXX 9mo ago
    They dont need to stay. They just need you as a user long enough to sell off to some dumb investor or another company that will find dumb investors.
deleted 9mo ago

gregjw 9mo ago

Never met a single person who has used it. Only ever Replit/Lovable/Bolt/v0. Interesting.

leobuskin 9mo ago
Never met a single person who used Replit/Lovable/Bolt/v0, all folks have either custom harnesses around top-tier labs' models, or use their dev-tools (cc, codex, etc). It feels like Manus & Co are very niche thing

keyle 9mo ago

Easy come, easy ... I'll let GenAI complete that one. It saddens me that we're making gezillions in complete hype businesses while people work their butts off for pebbles.

SXX 9mo ago
It's no different than any other VC funded company before GenAI. They all sold $100 bills with discount before either capturing market or disappear.

TZubiri 9mo ago

I wonder what the expenses are

asciii 9mo ago

> Less structure, more intelligence. > Let Manus handle the work — you focus on the decisions As a general comment I am getting tired of AI wishy washy slop. Just tell me how you crunch the tokens and benefits. The marketing has gotten cliche.